DonkSlayer 1 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 There's a really easy way to see more hands than you are going to normally. If you are behind a player and call the river bet, don't do so emphatically, and don't have your hands on your cards when you do it. Act like there's a possibility you called him down with a very marginal hand, and he'll probably be more likely to show unless he has complete air. If you're in front of a villain and you call a raise on the river, you're first to show anyway. You show, he mucks, yipee. And, don't muck your cards until the pot gets shipped. Never. Link to post Share on other sites
navybuttons 15 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 There's a really easy way to see more hands than you are going to normally. If you are behind a player and call the river bet, don't do so emphatically, and don't have your hands on your cards when you do it. Act like there's a possibility you called him down with a very marginal hand, and he'll probably be more likely to show unless he has complete air. If you're in front of a villain and you call a raise on the river, you're first to show anyway. You show, he mucks, yipee. And, don't muck your cards until the pot gets shipped. Never.if you are in front and call a bet or raise he has to show you first.it's only when its checked around does the first position have to show. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 3, 2006 Share Posted October 3, 2006 Nope. Not at the 3 Casinos I play at. If they muck, I win. No showdown requirred.A mucked hand loses to a hand still on the table. No show necessary if it's the only remaining live hand. Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 A mucked hand loses to a hand still on the table. No show necessary if it's the only remaining live hand.That is what I said, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites
LITTLEPOPPA 0 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hello everyone,I am a huge poker fan and my hubby and I have a question about play in a casino. If this is a previous topic I hope you will excuse me as I am new to this forum. We record and watch everything poker on TV that we can find, but we see a constant that bothers us. WE have also experienced this at the casinos. It bothers me more than it does my husband. When somebody calls on TV, if someone is bluffing they just say you got it and muck their cards. Wouldn't it be benificial to see what they were bluffing with to get an idea of their play?The phrase of "Pay to see your cards" is always used but never done. I have called many times but it seems acceptable to let them muck their cards. the problem is it's great to win but I have noticed when you call and win they get upset when you ask to see what they mucked. I get lines like "what do you care you won" "thats bad table manners" Fortunately for me I'm easy on the eyes so their not usually mean about it but if I paid shouldn't I get to see?When we play in the poker room for hours at a 5/10 table it helps me to know what someone bluffed with so I can make a mental note. Is it my right if I call to see the hand that I called win or loose?? and If so how come the proffessionals dont do it???Can anyone help a lady out???If im the caller , i do not show my cards until after they show theirs, as since I called their bet they should show first. If they are slow to show i say politely,i called u sir" and dont turn over my cards till they do. it still may make it a little uncomfortable but u are within ur rights much more than showing first and trying to get your opponents cards out of the muck...Reading the rules and experiencing how the rules are applied are two different things. If you haven't been there in person, you haven't seen the reactions that people have when their hands are asked to be shown, or the repercussion that you would experience if the hand that was then shown happened to be a winning flush when the other player didn't realize that he was bluffing with the best hand. It happens.When I call a bet of someone whom I think is bluffing, I don't show my hand until they do. If they muck, I then show (without asking what they had) and rake the chips.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=74654 exactly.. Link to post Share on other sites
BWToth 0 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 OK OK, i'm confused about one thing...if A bets and I call and A mucks, I don't see any logically way in which I should be forced to show my hand in order to rake the pot. It doesn't make sense, and why would any casino make this a requirement????? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 3 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 OK OK, i'm confused about one thing...if A bets and I call and A mucks, I don't see any logically way in which I should be forced to show my hand in order to rake the pot. It doesn't make sense, and why would any casino make this a requirement?????Most places I've been to (around 50) say caller shows first. Mucked hands lose to last live hand; no show necessary. In a lot of places, the caller can ask to have the hand he called turned over, and the bettor has to show it, but only if the caller asks. Rules vary by casino. Link to post Share on other sites
BWToth 0 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Most places I've been to (around 50) say caller shows first. Mucked hands lose to last live hand; no show necessary. In a lot of places, the caller can ask to have the hand he called turned over, and the bettor has to show it, but only if the caller asks. Rules vary by casino.Yes, that's pretty much the way i've always assumed it should happen, i'd really like to hear from the guy that said the winning hand has to be shown no matter what....that seems totally unfair to the person who showed and the bluffer who isn't forced to show his called bluff Link to post Share on other sites
Cue 0 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 This is wrong. In order for the pot to be awarded at showdown, a hand must be tabled. If you call and villian mucks, You MUST show your hand.No show necessary if you are the only one left without mucked cards.Imagine if you were required to show to take the pot and you refused. What if you mucked? What would they do with the pot? Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 Yes, that's pretty much the way i've always assumed it should happen, i'd really like to hear from the guy that said the winning hand has to be shown no matter what....that seems totally unfair to the person who showed and the bluffer who isn't forced to show his called bluffIt's pretty a pretty standard operation after you call someone on the river. They bet, you call.They have 2 choices. They show their hand or slide it into the muck. The winning hand has to be shown only if there is a showdown. If they muck their cards, you are holding the last live cards in play and win the pot by default. You never have to show your cards here. Why would you? Who else has a hand that can win? Even if you only had 4 high, there is no other hand that can be shown to beat that since they're all in the muck.It is bad practice to ask to see hands, but you do have the right to see them. Regardless of how much it annoys other players, it is a written rule that you are exercising. Unless the hand was played in a very unorthodox manner, I rarely ask to see someone else's cards because I like to have a likeable table image.You don't make friends by asking to see what the person bluffed off $500 with. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Most places I've been to (around 50) say caller shows first. Mucked hands lose to last live hand; no show necessary. In a lot of places, the caller can ask to have the hand he called turned over, and the bettor has to show it, but only if the caller asks. Rules vary by casino. Yes, that's pretty much the way i've always assumed it should happen, i'd really like to hear from the guy that said the winning hand has to be shown no matter what....that seems totally unfair to the person who showed and the bluffer who isn't forced to show his called bluffWrong and wrong.The caller is NOT the first person to flip over their cards.The action proceeds around the table, just as it did in every betting round, starting with the player who BET. He is the first person to showdown his hand. If he mucks, which he can, forfeiting his right to win the pot, the decision is on the next player, to the left of the bettor.I realize casinos use different rules, but those ones are wrong. Just look at any online poker client and see what happens at showdown.Finally, if 10 players see the river, and all of them muck except 1, the person who didn't muck wins without showing down. Players can ask to see his hand if they were dealt cards for that hand. They can muck their hand a split second after the 9th person, and it is their pot. Period. Link to post Share on other sites
Acid_Knight 2 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Wrong and wrong.The caller is NOT the first person to flip over their cards.The action proceeds around the table, just as it did in every betting round, starting with the player who BET. He is the first person to showdown his hand. If he mucks, which he can, forfeiting his right to win the pot, the decision is on the next player, to the left of the bettor.I realize casinos use different rules, but those ones are wrong. Just look at any online poker client and see what happens at showdown.Finally, if 10 players see the river, and all of them muck except 1, the person who didn't muck wins without showing down. Players can ask to see his hand if they were dealt cards for that hand. They can muck their hand a split second after the 9th person, and it is their pot. Period.Online poker clients also allow you to see mucked hands, which is not correct.At the Bellagio, if someone is all in before the river, then the showdown action starts with the first player to the left of the button and continues around the table, regardless of who called who. I dislike this rule immensely, but it is their rule. Most other casinos, regardless of when it occured in the hand, make the bettor show first, since they were called.Also, it is standard procedure as far as I know, in ANY casino, that if multiple players are still in the pot for showdown, then action starts to the left of the button and goes around the table.I've never seen a poker room that will allow you to see the hand of a player who has the last live hand at showdown, regardless of how many people are in the pot. If everyone has voluntarily mucked their hand, then there is no reason why the person still holding live cards should have to show his. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 6, 2006 Share Posted October 6, 2006 Online poker clients also allow you to see mucked hands, which is not correct.At the Bellagio, if someone is all in before the river, then the showdown action starts with the first player to the left of the button and continues around the table, regardless of who called who. I dislike this rule immensely, but it is their rule. Most other casinos, regardless of when it occured in the hand, make the bettor show first, since they were called.Also, it is standard procedure as far as I know, in ANY casino, that if multiple players are still in the pot for showdown, then action starts to the left of the button and goes around the table.I've never seen a poker room that will allow you to see the hand of a player who has the last live hand at showdown, regardless of how many people are in the pot. If everyone has voluntarily mucked their hand, then there is no reason why the person still holding live cards should have to show his.K. It's not hard.If you make a bet, and get called, ANYBODY who was dealt cards in that particular hand has the right to ask to see your hand before it hits the muck. If it hits the muck, then it's too late. It doesn't matter whether it is the last live hand or not. If I bet, and 9 players call, and they all instamuck, they can ask to see my hand.That is why online poker clients let you see mucked cards. You don't see folded cards, you see cards of hands that make it to showdown. You don't get to see these for hands that you were not dealt cards either.The showdown starts with the player to the LEFT of the player closing the action. Period.I'm just stating the rules, I know some casino's will not allow certain things, as in repeatedly asking to see cards, etc, so I'm only speaking in general of the rule, obviously not of local rules.[/THREAD] Link to post Share on other sites
bascomeb 0 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 [/THREAD]hhaha what a tool. Is that your way of saying thread over? jesus what a massive tool. go have sex with your e-friends Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 hhaha what a tool. Is that your way of saying thread over? jesus what a massive tool. go have sex with your e-friendsPlease stop replying to my posts. Link to post Share on other sites
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Actuary 3 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 bascomeb,did someone get your password and start posting on FCP ?I swear you used to be alright.Now you are just a waste.You'll get tired of your games and wonder why you didn't shape up sooner. Link to post Share on other sites
bascomeb 0 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 bascomeb,did someone get your password and start posting on FCP ?I swear you used to be alright.Now you are just a waste.You'll get tired of your games and wonder why you didn't shape up sooner.nope, its me.Shape up? its a forum sir. I repeat! a forum! Id rather be a good person in real life then on the internet to complete strangers Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thank god for the block user feature. Link to post Share on other sites
bascomeb 0 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 Thank god for the block user feature.how did u know i posted then?seriously you are a toolany plans tonight?oh talk in the forums all night with your internet friends? how cutei'm going out with college real friends!HAVE FUN IDIOT Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 any plans tonight?I'm actually at work.Will be all night.Stupid IBNR takes me too long.Qtr End and all.I try to be nice to real life and internet friends.But maybe you have always acted silly on here; and I was mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 I'm actually at work.Will be all night.Stupid IBNR takes me too long.Qtr End and all.I try to be nice to real life and internet friends.But maybe you have always acted silly on here; and I was mistaken.Let me direct you to this thread:http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...76733&st=20 Link to post Share on other sites
JMoney2681 0 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 how did u know i posted then?When you block someone it still shows that they made a post, but you can't actually read what they wrote, unless you click to, tool. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted October 7, 2006 Share Posted October 7, 2006 When you block someone it still shows that they made a post, but you can't actually read what they wrote, unless you click to, tool. Link to post Share on other sites
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