Running Bad, I Mean, Real Bad

[kkot 0]

Try posting hands in the strat forums. Post hands that you win, lose, think you missed a bet, anything. Post hands that you think you played well. You may find a better way to handle a situation.____________________________________________________________________On a side note, maybe the 'poker life' isn't for you. I've read several of your posts saying how you're going to be making several thousand dollars a month, and you make it sound so easy. Maybe it isn't that easy. Just saying.

[TheCorporation3 0]

Try posting hands in the strat forums. Post hands that you win, lose, think you missed a bet, anything. Post hands that you think you played well. You may find a better way to handle a situation.____________________________________________________________________On a side note, maybe the 'poker life' isn't for you. I've read several of your posts saying how you're going to be making several thousand dollars a month, and you make it sound so easy. Maybe it isn't that easy. Just saying.

Well the last 3 months it was easy, this month isn't. And variance has been kicking me in the balls, just saying. I know I can do it, I already have, I just can't seem to win a pot this month. I have been running bad all month really. The poker life is for me, thats why Im doing it, I just can't catch a ****ing hand lol. And it sucks, bad beats all day long.

[Actuary 3]

Don't quit your day job."What?""He already did?"oh snap.

[mrdannyg 274]

i'm a little confused. you've "been beating these games for 3 months" but you'd be happy with 1bb/100, and you don't have PT or anything.All I can say is there are a lot of players who are in fact winning less than they're making in bonus/rakeback. This is especially true if you're on a site like Absolute or WPEX, where bonuses are credited directly to your account in 'small' increments.Many of the questions you're asking are not necessarily simple, but by no means extremely difficult situations. You just might not be as good as you think you are. Get Pokertracker, and see how your results are after a good number of hands.Even better, approximate how much you've made from rakeback/bonus the last month or two that you've put in a lot of hands, and figure out how much that is relative to the total you're up.Abba and I have discussed it before, but we've both played 100K+ hands at 2/4 and 3/6, much of it on tough sites, and i don't think either of us have had worse than -200bb downswing. if you have a 300bb downswing, there's a very good chance you've made a lot of unprofitable plays.

[STYLINHAWYN 0]

you said that you can't take a break or step down in limits because you need to make money and pay your bills???Dude, if you keep on playing these limits and keep on losing regardless of how good your playing... your not going to have any money for a bankroll left. If you want to continue to play poker at the limits you have come accustomed too... i suggest you take a break and step down in limits.think about it, would you rather lose another 300bb playing 1/2 ($600) or .50/$1 ($300). If you can beat the lower games consistently again and have the bankroll for the higher limits, then move back up. Think smart here buddy, your not going to win that 300bb back in one session.

[Zach6668 513]

This thread is a total classic and should be pinned for all those that Corp has pissed off in his short time here.Oh, and Abbaddabba is ALWAYS right. Zach

[TheCorporation3 0]

This thread is a total classic and should be pinned for all those that Corp has pissed off in his short time here.Oh, and Abbaddabba is ALWAYS right. Zach

You're a fucking douchebag. Because I am losing it is funny? And it should be pinned for everyone to see? You're a tool, thanks a lot man.

[Actuary 3]

be nice

[TheCorporation3 0]

you said that you can't take a break or step down in limits because you need to make money and pay your bills???Dude, if you keep on playing these limits and keep on losing regardless of how good your playing... your not going to have any money for a bankroll left.

Well I will if I can stop this bad swing from raping me. I can't believe the beats I have taken, they have to stop soon.

i'm a little confused. you've "been beating these games for 3 months" but you'd be happy with 1bb/100, and you don't have PT or anything.All I can say is there are a lot of players who are in fact winning less than they're making in bonus/rakeback. This is especially true if you're on a site like Absolute or WPEX, where bonuses are credited directly to your account in 'small' increments.Many of the questions you're asking are not necessarily simple, but by no means extremely difficult situations. You just might not be as good as you think you are. Get Pokertracker, and see how your results are after a good number of hands.Even better, approximate how much you've made from rakeback/bonus the last month or two that you've put in a lot of hands, and figure out how much that is relative to the total you're up.Abba and I have discussed it before, but we've both played 100K+ hands at 2/4 and 3/6, much of it on tough sites, and i don't think either of us have had worse than -200bb downswing. if you have a 300bb downswing, there's a very good chance you've made a lot of unprofitable plays.

Well first off, I didn't say that the situations were "difficult," it's just that they are the most common sitiuations that most players will play differently and I was just wondering what he/she would do in those spots. Just curious really.And as for WPEX, I just started here really, maybe only 5,000 hands, So I know I have plenty of time to build the rakeback and I'm aslo trying to understand why so many of them at WPEX play the super agrrodonk power poker style, at a limit game.And as for my 1BB/100 hands, I was saying that at the rate I am running right now I would love to make that rate. I was doing well over 2BB/100 hands before when I wasn't getting coolered in the face every other hand.As for my downswing, much of it WAS from limit poker, but a small amount was also from tourneys and NL games, so I guess it wasn't exactly 300BB. And I earned another $450 in rakeback on WPEX so I guess it wasn't really 300BB. More closer to 200, but still, running extremely bad nonetheless.As for not using poker tracker, I just add up everything I do in a notebbook and do the math to figure my BB/100 hands. I should invest in pt though. But yeah, I hope that clears up your confusion, I really want some help, but not from morons who just want to criticize and show hatred. Oh yeah, by the way-I am a good player, was a good winning player playing part time, made over 1100BB in a few months.-I know how to play and I have read many books. Sklansky, Super System, Ace on the River, to name a few-I want help to cope with this rough time, not someone saying I suck or someone saying "haha we should show this to everyone."-Thanks in advance.(Most all of my beats have occured when I had NO rakeback at Party Poker)

[Zach6668 513]

PT is a must man.You also need to be 100% honest with yourself why you are losing.Danny and Abba are right. Not very often do winning players go through 200 BB downswings, especially at full ring.You need to look at whether quitting your job has put significant stress on you and you are trying to force things at the tables.****************************************************************As an aside:You are still coming off so juvenile and childish. Please see the Rockets thread in NL if you have any doubts.I don't know how someone can come into a forum and in a matter of weeks have a lot of people dislike them.Just a friendly warning.- Zach

[kkot 0]

I'm impressed. It must be hard to come accross as arrogant as you do with nearly every post you make.

1-I am a good player, was a good winning player playing part time, made over 1100BB in a few months.2-I know how to play and I have read many books. Sklansky, Super System, Ace on the River, to name a few3-I want help to cope with this rough time, not someone saying I suck or someone saying "haha we should show this to everyone."4-Thanks in advance.

1. Maybe you aren't as good as you think you are. You say you are on a 200+BB downswing. Wouldn't it be possible that some, if not most, of your winnings were as a result of an upswing?Do not come back at me. I do not want you to reply to this post. I DO NOT CARE. Think about this one. Be honest with yourself. Can you really beat the games at WPEX?2. Do you apply the knowledge that you gain from these books? Reading them is worthless if you do not apply the knowledge.3. If you want someone to help you cope with emotional swings, get a girlfriend. We want to show this to everyone who wants to quit their dayjob to turn pro. It isn't as easy as it sounds. I've been a winning player for a few months. Maybe I should quit my job too! On second thought.. I like to have some security in my life. Call me crazy.I think you based your projected winnings off of favorable, scenarios, without taking into account that you may actually lose money sometimes. Maybe I'm wrong. Then again, maybe I'm right.4. You're welcome._____________________________________________________________As I said before. Don't even respond to this. Don't take this as a flame. Again, I honestly don't care about your situation, especially because you seem beyond arrogant in all of your posts. Read my questions and ask yourself, while holding back your pride, if you really are ready to quit your job and play poker full time.Can you really handle the swings? Your rantings tell me no. You have gone on a 200+BB 'downswing', and I have been reading about your 'bad luck' for a week now. If you cannot shrug off the losses, you are probably playing with scared money, or at least not playing your A game._____________________________________________________________Again. Post hands in their apppropriate strat forums. Not only may you learn from them, but others might as well. ______________________________________________________________

I was doing well over 2BB/100 hands before when I wasn't getting coolered in the face every other hand.

Did you really keep good enough records to know this without PT. I'm not saying that you didn't, I just don't think it is very likely.

[Scott3705 0]

There's always the possibility that you're not as good as you think you are.

This is where this thread should have ended.

[NoChip4You! 0]

I had a really bad night last night myself. I was having an off night and not catching any cards. My first instinct was of course to blame variance. I decided for some reason to play the .5/.10 and try to rake in some fast cash. I've not had a losing session in just over two months so my confidence was pretty high. I have been rereading some of the books I have and doing a lot of strategy evaluation over the last few weeks and as I lost $10 then $20, and finally $30 total I knew that something was very wrong. I wanted to blame variance and bad beats, after all there certainly was evidence to that. I raised $2 with pocket aces and got re-raised $3 more which put the guy all in and was folded to me. I called and my AA was up against 66. Anyone care to take a guess as to what hit on the flop? Oh yes, a 6. That hand put me on tilt right there. I stepped back and regained my composure and started to regain my stack.Then I overplayed pocket TT and found myself against a slow played KK and lost a good chunk. I fought back and had a hand or two but it wasn't much as I became a telegraph for my hands. I was Over-betting when I had the nuts and not paying attention. I didn't feel on tilt, but I certainly was. In the end it caught up with me and I was down $28. I walked away very upset with myself and my "bad beats"Two hours later I was looking at my hand histories trying to figure out what I did wrong. I was looking at my hands and man was I playing bad. I was not playing my game at all. I was became the donk that I am accustomed to making my money off of. When I started doing some analysis of the hands I was playing my hands completely backwards to what I normally would in most cases and it was really obvious that when I looked at my bets compared to hands I was making some really bad decisions. It sure didn't feel like it at the time.Why did I mention the books and review previously? I think one of the contributing factors was my studying of all the texts and hands played. It changed my game a bit as I tried to use different strategies that I had read without being fully aware that I was doing it.If you are going to adjust your game like that I fully recommend you test it and be careful to know that you are testing things out so when something doesn't work you know why you made the play you did. Good thing I had decided to play the lowest limit that day or I could have been in for a major disaster [1].Pokertracker can be a valuable tool for determining the difference between variance and a change in style or tilt. While I hate losing money even in small amounts like $28, I almost glad as it gave me a really good look at myself and how different influences can affect your game.I don't know exactly how this fits in with the OP, perhaps you were just running bad after all. I figured I would share the experience I had and maybe if you really evaluate what happend you might find some clarity.---------------[1] I am not advocating not changing your game or of course you will never evolve as a player, but make sure you are aware of this variable in your play and consider playing like you are just starting a new bankroll or even set aside "experimental" money.

[mtdesmoines 3]

First off, BBFIDTS, I know. But I have been running SO bad this past month that it is almost starting to effect me and my game play. I have lost over 300BB and since I JUST got started with rakeback, I haven't gotten that back yet either. Set over set is the norm for me. AK vs AQ, AAQ flop. I mean bad, real bad. 20,000 hands bad too. Not just like I had a bad session, but bad sessions, plural. I've never seen anyone run this bad and I am starting to get a little frustrated. I am also starting to question if I even know what the hell I am doing anymore, after losing so much.I put in another 1,000 on WPEX so hopefully things wil turn around. But I am getting tired of deposting instead of withdrawaling, something I never used to do. What do you guys do when you're runnig bad? I don't mean a few days bad, Im talking WEEKS bad, over 20,000 hands bad. It is the worst feeling in the world. Any help would be great guys, thanks in advance.

First, change your avatar. Second, go play live. It beats the **** out of online. Third, take two of your regular sessions off and go fishing. Take a book. Fourth, I ran bad in June, goot in July, off and on in Aug, and Sept has been fantastic. It's the way it goes. Winning in poker means beating the margin over the long haul. In the short haul, you'll lose to the margin, too.

[Oneeydjaq 0]

In all seriousness, running bad yes, variance, definitely. However, all of that aside, a really bad turn starts out with running bad and some variance. But, when you start talking 25-30k hands all down, all losing sessions. Something is broke.The reason these people are pushing PT on you is due to the fact that PT can help you identify what is broken, help you find the leaks, and plug them up. The reason people say take time away from the game is not so you can go sit and watch tv or catch some rays at the pool etc. That time off should be used at least in part to reflect back on what has been going on. Why are you running so bad? Is it REALLY just bad luck. My guess is not entirely. I would imagine the losses are compounded by you OVERPLAYING your quality hands, moreso than you would when you are running good. Also, you may be doing things like, not playing hands for value in LP that you should, not attempting steals as often as you should, or perhaps too much, defending more than you should or not enough. Basically, when you start to run bad, its kind of like the wheels coming off. It starts with one wheel and you can still keep rolling along, then u lose another and ur just dragging, before u know it you are a lump of twisted metal burning on the side of the road.My advice, is to look at what people have been saying to you. Dont take everyones criticism as them being a **** to you, and even if they are, it is sound advice. Just cause you WERE a winning player, and you once made xxBBs does not mean you arent playing like crap now, or that you arent doing something differently now due to the bad run you are taking. Instead of letting your ego get in the way, maybe its time to take a step back and take a real long look at everything that is going on, and quit focusing on things like, I am so unlucky, these players are so bad, meanwhile you keep dropping more and more checks. That is all...

[TheCorporation3 0]

Ok, the reason I might've come off as "arrogant" was simply because I know so many of the WSOP kids or WPT kids who watched a few episodes, went to the Casino and played 3-6 live, beat the game for a hundred and thought they were gods gift to poker. I am not one of them, and I strongly want to push that I never will be one of them.I have played in so many different Casinos and at different levels. I have played 1000NL and 9-18 at the Commerce, (no, I am not bragging) I have played small games and big games, all the time. I just want some credit, and to not be looked at like I am some WPT watching kid who thinks he knows it all. I do not know it all, and never will, that is why I am here. But I do take the game VERY seriously, and I want to improve my game all the time, and I like to analyze many different situtaions so that I can better my game.I know there are a ton of guys that know way more than me and are way better, I am just here to learn, not here to brag or look like a poker god, and I apologize if that is the way it has been coming out. I honestly just want you guys to know that I am a decent player and I just want a little respect. I probably have come off as an arrogant prick like Zach said, and for that I truly apologize. I just didn't want you to think I am like most other online donkeys. I am here to get better and I am playing for a living, and I want to continue to do so.I always use the knowledge I get from reading books and use it during my game play. I can talk all kinds of strategy with you guys on a poker level, and I am sure we can both learn a lot from each other. I just don't like being pushed around, especially when it comes to poker, because most don't take it as serious as I do, but I am sure there are some that do here. (As I am writing this I just had AA cracked again by K9, flop a 9, river a 9.) These beats are killing me! I know it happens to everyone, trust me, I know.Anyway, yeah, I just wanted you guys to know where I am comming from, and I apologize if I came off as arrogant, and thank you all for your support/help through these times. Thanks guys.

[mikeysong 0]

good postI think the topic should be closed right here :)last words ftw

[BudBundy 0]

A large bankroll helps a lot.You play significantly better if you don't mind losing although you made the right play.Have 50 buy-ins and you won't even feel losing a couple of buy ins a day.

[TheCorporation3 0]

A large bankroll helps a lot.You play significantly better if you don't mind losing although you made the right play.Have 50 buy-ins and you won't even feel losing a couple of buy ins a day.

It was for limit. But anyway, I starated out with over 800BB plus living expenses for a few months.

[Actuary 3]

A large bankroll helps a lot.You play significantly better if you don't mind losing although you made the right play.Have 50 buy-ins and you won't even feel losing a couple of buy ins a day.

Turkey.

[Zach6668 513]

Corp,You don't come to a new forum, and rattle off your accomplishments and expect to be respected.You come to a new forum, chime in with good advice, provide help for new players, etc, post a ton, and then you EARN respect.Good post, nonethless.I hope for the best from you, and I hope you can be a valuable member of our community.- Zach

[TheCorporation3 0]

Corp,You don't come to a new forum, and rattle off your accomplishments and expect to be respected.You come to a new forum, chime in with good advice, provide help for new players, etc, post a ton, and then you EARN respect.Good post, nonethless.I hope for the best from you, and I hope you can be a valuable member of our community.- Zach

Thanks. I didn't mean for it to be a brag or anything, just that I know how to play and I wasn't some punk WPT kid, thats all. I have been playing for a while and have been through a lot, thats all. GL to everyone here, espeically including my running bad self.

[Zach6668 513]

Thanks. I didn't mean for it to be a brag or anything, just that I know how to play and I wasn't some punk WPT kid, thats all. I have been playing for a while and have been through a lot, thats all. GL to everyone here, espeically including my running bad self.

It's funny that you mention that you didn't want to come off as some WPT kid, because that's exactly what my first (and many more) impression of you was, lol.Turn it around

[TheCorporation3 0]

It's funny that you mention that you didn't want to come off as some WPT kid, because that's exactly what my first (and many more) impression of you was, lol.Turn it around

LMAO! Damnit, I failed then, lol. I actually haven't watched the WPT in a while, do they still air new shows? Anyway, yeah, I made a good $80 today and another $30 or so in rakeback. Im going back on a little tonight to play a 4 hour session, I will let you all know how it goes...This session is going to be important.

[aucu 3]

Ugh, just to let you know that you are not alone I just lost 4 buyins at 100NLtwice to AA, once with AA and tilted off another Might go look for a RB tourny to nutbar