gatortom64 1 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 PokerStars Game #6313006262: Tournament #32022004, $4.00+$0.40 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/09/16 - 22:44:26 (ET)Table '32022004 2' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: gatortom64 (6845 in chips) Seat 2: b2b2b (1935 in chips) Seat 3: MikeyMo (3845 in chips) Seat 4: len_808 (5370 in chips) Seat 5: Stickyweasel (3918 in chips) Seat 6: RicoNY73 (2235 in chips) Seat 7: NaCardTrick (1305 in chips) Seat 8: GIVEIT2UGOOD (10660 in chips) Seat 9: Kras (3200 in chips) Kras: posts small blind 75gatortom64: posts big blind 150*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to gatortom64 [As Ks]b2b2b: folds MikeyMo: calls 150len_808: folds Stickyweasel: folds RicoNY73: folds NaCardTrick: folds GIVEIT2UGOOD: calls 150Kras: calls 75gatortom64: raises 450 to 600MikeyMo: calls 450GIVEIT2UGOOD: calls 450Kras: folds *** FLOP *** [Kc 3h 7d]gatortom64: bets 600MikeyMo: folds GIVEIT2UGOOD: raises 900 to 1500gatortom64: raises 4745 to 6245 and is all-inGIVEIT2UGOOD: calls 4745gatortom64 said, "vnh"*** TURN *** [Kc 3h 7d] [4h]gatortom64 said, "gl all"*** RIVER *** [Kc 3h 7d 4h] [Ah]RicoNY73 said, "gg"*** SHOW DOWN ***gatortom64: shows [As Ks] (two pair, Aces and Kings)GIVEIT2UGOOD: shows [3c 3s] (three of a kind, Threes)GIVEIT2UGOOD said, "SET AFTER SET"GIVEIT2UGOOD collected 14440 from pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 14440 | Rake 0 Board [Kc 3h 7d 4h Ah]Seat 1: gatortom64 (big blind) showed [As Ks] and lost with two pair, Aces and KingsSeat 2: b2b2b folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 3: MikeyMo folded on the FlopSeat 4: len_808 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 5: Stickyweasel folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: RicoNY73 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: NaCardTrick folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: GIVEIT2UGOOD (button) showed [3c 3s] and won (14440) with three of a kind, ThreesSeat 9: Kras (small blind) folded before Flop Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 your flop push was absolutely bad, especially in relation to your preflop raise/flop bet/oponent's limp-call preflop/opponent's flop raise/and the stacks. I'm sure in the $4.40's this gets paid off enough by worse hands; but it's not a good poker play.you have TPTK, that's it.Raise to 800 preflopIf you still get two callers, bet 1500 on the flop.proceed from there. Call a push from the shorter stack, not from biggy stax.***********************************8and don't post results, moron. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 With your preflop raise and no draws on board his raise should send up caution flags. I would call the raise and try to play it cheap from then on. Link to post Share on other sites
gatortom64 1 Posted September 17, 2006 Author Share Posted September 17, 2006 Thnx for your input. I am new to asking for help, but more than willing to learn. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Thnx for your input. I am new to asking for help, but more than willing to learn.this is the place to do it! even if we're wrong half the time, at least we arent aholes at the same time, like some other forums!wellll....except for Actuary who goes ballistic when someone posts results too soon! Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 Thnx for your input. I am new to asking for help, but more than willing to learn.hi,I don't mean "moron" in a bad way.I mean it more in a "I-really-don't-like-my-job-and-you-should-know-beter-than-to-post-results-because-it's-posted-somewhere-to-convert-hands-and-not-post-results-kind-of-way" keep posting and I"ll keep trying to help.I'm still learning to, so help me when I post.What do you think of your play ? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I really don't mind how this was played. Only 77 and 33 beat us (unless villain is an FCPer playing the Krablar). We can easily get this action from KQ, KJ, KT (it is a $4.40 game).I think the results have affected the responses here. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 nm Link to post Share on other sites
magnus72 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 your flop push was absolutely bad, especially in relation to your preflop raise/flop bet/oponent's limp-call preflop/opponent's flop raise/and the stacks. I'm sure in the $4.40's this gets paid off enough by worse hands; but it's not a good poker play.you have TPTK, that's it.Raise to 800 preflopIf you still get two callers, bet 1500 on the flop.proceed from there. Call a push from the shorter stack, not from biggy stax.***********************************8and don't post results, moron.TPTK aint **** most of the time, if you get reraised after you flop bet, its time to consider whether or not to get out. If he is a decent player, he suspects you got top pair. So according to his reaction to your bet it is time to be very careful not move all in. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I really don't mind how this was played. Only 77 and 33 beat us (unless villain is an FCPer playing the Krablar). We can easily get this action from KQ, KJ, KT (it is a $4.40 game).I think the results have affected the responses here.I agree. This also appears to be a MTT, so we want to accumulate chips. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I agree. This also appears to be a MTT, so we want to accumulate chips.If you don't minimize losses on hands like this with such an obvious indication that you're beaten, whether "only 77 and 33" beat you or not, you will not have consistent success in tournaments. You will complain that youre "always knocked out by some donkey who had the only two cards that could beat me" when he told you he was beating you.This one was as obvious as Chris Richey's villain having A3 a few posts back. "could" he be overplaying a big K? Sure he "could". You never know for sure that youre not laying down a winner unless its the nuts, but in the long run playing TPTK with action like this is a loser. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 If you don't minimize losses on hands like this with such an obvious indication that you're beaten, whether "only 77 and 33" beat you or not, you will not have consistent success in tournaments. You will complain that youre "always knocked out by some donkey who had the only two cards that could beat me" when he told you he was beating you.This one was as obvious as Chris Richey's villain having A3 a few posts back.There was a time I'd agree with you. I almost never showed down TPTK when faced with a lot of heat and I certainly didn't push it against deeper stacks. However, in the small buy-in events I play, I double up here against weak kings just as often as I go broke to 33. In a higher buy-in event or against an opponent on whom I've got a read as being solid, I'd call and re-evaluate turn. I'd probably c/c all the way instead if villain made it cheap. I don't like retaking the role of aggressor when I'm OOP and can't really dedicate my stack to the hand.I'm sure in the $4.40's this gets paid off enough by worse hands; but it's not a good poker play.is accurate. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 This one was as obvious as Chris Richey's villain having A3 a few posts back. "could" he be overplaying a big K? Sure he "could". You never know for sure that youre not laying down a winner unless its the nuts, but in the long run playing TPTK with action like this is a loser.I'm not so sure Chris Richey's A3 hand was as obvious as you think. I think that one could easily have been a bluff.Anyway, onto the matter at hand. You have AK and you have been raised on a flop of K73r. I don't see any reason why villain can't have K8+ here. Given it is a $4.40, it could even be something like K5s. Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 I'm not so sure Chris Richey's A3 hand was as obvious as you think. I think that one could easily have been a bluff.Anyway, onto the matter at hand. You have AK and you have been raised on a flop of K73r. I don't see any reason why villain can't have K8+ here. Given it is a $4.40, it could even be something like K5s.yes, he can, and he could...but not often enough to make playing a large pot profitable in the long run, given his action. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted September 17, 2006 Share Posted September 17, 2006 yes, he can, and he could...but not often enough to make playing a large pot profitable in the long run, given his action.I do prefer just calling the flop. I don't think pushing the flop is a terrible play based on what I think his expected range is however. Link to post Share on other sites
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