Zach6668 513 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)SB ($122.05)BB ($106.90)UTG ($73)Hero ($99)MP1 ($95.75)MP2 ($93.50)MP3 ($138.10)CO ($267.35)Button ($99.50)Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J , K . UTG calls $1, Hero calls $1, 5 folds, SB completes, BB checks.Flop: ($4) J , K , 5 (4 players)SB bets $3, BB folds, UTG calls $3, Hero raises to $11, SB folds, UTG raises to $19, Hero calls $8.Turn: ($45) 2 (2 players)UTG bets $10, Hero raises to $30, UTG raises to $50, Hero raises to $70, UTG calls $3 (All-In).River: ($168) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)Final Pot: $168Why did I make it my goal to all my chips in the middle when it was pretty clear what he had?Is this going to be something I beat often enough? Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I think I play the flop the same, but I think you are probably better calling the turn rather than raising. Link to post Share on other sites
CobaltBlue 662 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Zach, I don't think we're deepstacked enough to not go broke with top two against a default opponent on this draw-heavy board. Reads would certainly help, but it's still going to be a really really tough fold regardless. I think pushing the flop or turn is probably the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Zach, I don't think we're deepstacked enough to not go broke with top two against a default opponent on this draw-heavy board. Reads would certainly help, but it's still going to be a really really tough fold regardless. I think pushing the flop or turn is probably the way to go.I would say so too, Push the flop. Try to trap him if he is just holding a lone K (KQ K10) or if he has a nearly drawing dead hand of K5 or J5. (doubt he limped UTG with either of these, it is more likely he is holding 55) If he has 55, which is possible too, you're in a bit of trouble. Link to post Share on other sites
krup24 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I would say so too, Push the flop. Try to trap him if he is just holding a lone K (KQ K10) or if he has a nearly drawing dead hand of K5 or J5. (doubt he limped UTG with either of these, it is more likely he is holding 55) If he has 55, which is possible too, you're in a bit of trouble.I like a flop push against an unknown but there is no way in hell this is KQ or KT. Link to post Share on other sites
Verdimme 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 Well, this has to be 55..?Depending on the tendencies of villain I pay this off about every single time. The action looks like it coud only be 55, but I have found it could easily be a worse two pair holding, too. Based on combos I say get it all in, on the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted September 16, 2006 Share Posted September 16, 2006 I would say so too, Push the flop. Try to trap him if he is just holding a lone K (KQ K10) or if he has a nearly drawing dead hand of K5 or J5. (doubt he limped UTG with either of these, it is more likely he is holding 55) If he has 55, which is HIGHLY PROBABLE too, you're in a bit of trouble.fyp.he called/min reraised on the flop.weak led/min reraised the turn.unfortunately by the time that it's BLATANTLY obvious what he had, most of the money is in the pot.I think flat calling turn/river is ok. call/min raising flop screams to me, but you could be against a nutso. When he weak leads the turn after doing that, he's begging for a raise, so I would say flat call, take the river cautious. Link to post Share on other sites
crankin 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Zach, it certainly feels like you were beat. However, there is one peculiar piece to me. The villain called the initial bet, and only put more money in after you raised. This just strikes me as odd. Given that there were flush and straight draws on the board, it seems really bad of him to flat-call on the flop if he has a set. Were you raising a lot of flops, such that he might suspect you to inflate the pot for him? Even then, his min-reraise seems poor (given the draws and the likelyhood that a smart hero could be raising on the come here). I would have expected a sane villian to push (or at least set the bar at several times your raise).In any event, it's hard to get away from top-two against bottom set. I think villain played this hand horribly. However, as I'm sure you're aware, you're the one that decided to get all the money in, as he gave you a lot of chances to see a reasonably priced showdown. Link to post Share on other sites
Peak01 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Fold to his reraise on the turn. You raised to get the information you wanted and got your answer. Link to post Share on other sites
cwik 0 Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 55 here defientaly makes the most since. The only other hands I can see him playing this was are, AK, which he prolley woulda raised preflop, or KJ with is unlikely and MAYBE QdTd. This is a hard spot to get away from, but I don't like the reraise on the turn. I'd prolley call the turn, and hope for a check on the river. If he pushes you need to lay it down. Link to post Share on other sites
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