Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Self edited because life is too short... Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I think alot of people in the poker business try and white washes poker's seedy past ( much less poker's seedy present )First of all, I was the one who said Johnny Moss was a cheat in the other thread. Glad my comment could start another good thread, but honestly, Brunson a cheat? He didn't always play in home games that he had set up or that he was able to sanction/control. There were PLENTY of games he had to go to, not knowning really anyone there, and/or any guy that was comming to the game(s). Read Doyles, "Poker Wisdom of a Champion." It is a great book that really tells you about his past and what he went through. I read it, and it let me better understand how his poker life was like, growing up. And as for people "white washing poker." Well of course, it was the past, now we are in the future. It's like saying that people are trying to cover up the fact that we had slavery. It was a bad thing, and things have changed, for the better, so why bring it up? We are done with the "bad" issue, and things have changed, things are better now, and we realize the mistakes. I'm not saying that we should just forget it ever happened, I am saying that poker used to be considered "immoral" and was just filled with "degenerate gamblers" and the likes. Poker is something different now, so to say that they are white washing pokers past is just silly. People know the past, people know the present. To most, poker is a "good" thing now. Things have changed. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesUp46 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Do you think OJ Simpson was guilty? He was officially found NOT guilty.Do you think Michael Jackson was guilty? He was officially found NOT guilty.Do you think Marion Jones was guilty? She was officially found NOT guilty.Now, do you think Barry Bonds is guilty? Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Well of course, it was the past, now we are in the future. It's like saying that people are trying to cover up the fact that we had slavery. It was a bad thing, and things have changed, for the better, so why bring it up?This is a forum where we discuss poker. Good, bad, or indifferent.History isn't put in a closet to hide, it's documented for future generations to learn about it. I think they still teach about slavery in schools.This could produce some interesting discussion... Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Where can I get one of these God Cams? Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,358 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 First of all, I was the one who said Johnny Moss was a cheat in the other thread. Glad my comment could start another good thread, but honestly, Brunson a cheat? He didn't always play in home games that he had set up or that he was able to sanction/control. There were PLENTY of games he had to go to, not knowning really anyone there, and/or any guy that was comming to the game(s). Read Doyles, "Poker Wisdom of a Champion." It is a great book that really tells you about his past and what he went through. I read it, and it let me better understand how his poker life was like, growing up. And as for people "white washing poker." Well of course, it was the past, now we are in the future. It's like saying that people are trying to cover up the fact that we had slavery. It was a bad thing, and things have changed, for the better, so why bring it up? We are done with the "bad" issue, and things have changed, things are better now, and we realize the mistakes. I'm not saying that we should just forget it ever happened, I am saying that poker used to be considered "immoral" and was just filled with "degenerate gamblers" and the likes. Poker is something different now, so to say that they are white washing pokers past is just silly. People know the past, people know the present. To most, poker is a "good" thing now. Things have changed.See, this is kinda my meta point.... what's wrong with white washing poker's past is that it distorts our view of the present. People still cheat, believe it. People still work in teams, colluding in soft or hard ways, communicating what they have to each other. People all the time online collude with each other, communicating through telephone or instant messaging. Cheating is not part of pokers past, but part of it's present too. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 See, this is kinda my meta point.... what's wrong with white washing poker's past is that it distorts our view of the present. People still cheat, believe it. People still work in teams, colluding in soft or hard ways, communicating what they have to each other. People all the time online collude with each other, communicating through telephone or instant messaging. Cheating is not part of pokers past, but part of it's present too.Yes I agree, that is true. People today are still cheating, of course. I don't deny that one bit, what I was referring to was your idea about us "white washing" pokers past. I just find it silly to bring things up, when like another poster said, it was different then. I'm just saying that poker is a hell of a lot better now than it was. A lot more cheat-free games and is basically looked at as a "good" or "accepted" thing. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 yea, possible, but no way to ever prove. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 This is a forum where we discuss poker. Good, bad, or indifferent.History isn't put in a closet to hide, it's documented for future generations to learn about it. I think they still teach about slavery in schools.This could produce some interesting discussion...That is not really what I meant. I was referring to OP's idea that we all now are "white washing" pokers past. Just as today, for example, we know slavery existed, as we know that cheating existed in poker, but we shouldn't try to bring it up to "open the public's eyes." I' m sure everyone KNEW poker was bad, corrupt and whatnot, much like slavery. But no one would post a, "Did you know that we had slaves hundreds of years ago! And now we are white washing the public from knowing what the whites did!" I'm just saying that it doesn't need to be brought up from the stand point of saying we are all "white washed" and to not think about how bad it was. That's all. We know it was bad, we have moved on. Poker has gotten to be a great thing. Link to post Share on other sites
AAsnake88 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Cheating was prevalent in the past, and likely more widespread online today. It's not a bad thing to be aware of it and prepared to protect yourself from it. Link to post Share on other sites
TheCorporation3 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Cheating was prevalent in the past, and likely more widespread online today. It's not a bad thing to be aware of it and prepared to protect yourself from it.No doubt... Link to post Share on other sites
NortonFan 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 "I've been terrorized by a 106 lb. girl named Jennifer and a 125 lb. Chinamannamed Chow"Haha. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,358 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 i heard a story that titanic thompson that I thought was pretty funny, I heard that he was to golf at a big tournament one day, so he got up real early in the morning and put a fake bird on top of a telephone pole, then later in the day he bet a guy at 2-1 that the bird on the right would fly off before the bird on the left. simply classic lolhahahhahah ti stories are the freaking best.. never bet against ti.. lolyea, possible, but no way to ever prove.yeah, pretty much why I'd need a god cam Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings7 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I view this kind of like people who say that Thomas Jefferson was a horrible person for owning slaves. Certain things are acceptable at different times in different things. Back in those days, you either cheated or got cheated in those games. He has done great things to increase the popularity of poker and be an iconic figure for poker, but I'm not doubting that he cheated back in the day.My thoughts almost exactly! Link to post Share on other sites
Under The Gun 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 MAYBE he did cheat at one time, I am sure it would be hard for him to of NOT cheated ever running around with them. However people need to read Super System and think about when it was published and how far ahead of the times he was. Its safe to say he knew things that weren't known for 20 more years, as far as odds and just the way to play the game. He will tell you himself that it made the rest of the guys he played against SO MUCH tougher....Doyle was and is a VERY VERY intelligent man and his poker game theory was light years above anyone else. This is one reason he made so much money, he was simply THAT much better then everyone else. Hell of all the books on poker written, none come close to uncovering as much in a day and time as SUper System did. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,358 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 MAYBE he did cheat at one time, I am sure it would be hard for him to of NOT cheated ever running around with them. However people need to read Super System and think about when it was published and how far ahead of the times he was. Its safe to say he knew things that weren't known for 20 more years, as far as odds and just the way to play the game. He will tell you himself that it made the rest of the guys he played against SO MUCH tougher....Doyle was and is a VERY VERY intelligent man and his poker game theory was light years above anyone else. This is one reason he made so much money, he was simply THAT much better then everyone else. Hell of all the books on poker written, none come close to uncovering as much in a day and time as SUper System did.Okay, lets not talk crazy. SS1 was revolutionary, and the best poker book for years, but ToP, SSTH and THforAP by Skalansky and harrington's trilogy are way better poker books. Link to post Share on other sites
PMJackson21 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Doyle a cheat? Ha, ask Russ Georgiev.At least he didn't molest his grandaughter though. Link to post Share on other sites
GWCGWC 83 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Someone said that Doyle Brunson is where all the gambling money goes to die. Link to post Share on other sites
DOG 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 There's no way at all that I can prove my suspicions, but if I could go to a God Cam, I would bet serious coin that Doyle cheated back in the day.Wanna bet?God bless Slim PrestonFUI'm gonna throw a burrito at him next time I see him.Better make it a veggie one.Doyle a cheat? Ha, ask Russ Georgiev.At least he didn't molest his grandaughter though.QFMFT Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah he might've cheated back then but its hard to cheat yourself to 10 bracelets. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 your theory isnt that insane. It makes sense. However, all you have now is a theory. Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,358 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah he might've cheated back then but its hard to cheat yourself to 10 bracelets.please read whole thread, we've already been over this. Link to post Share on other sites
blakheart 3 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 What about Chip Reese? Rumor has it that the big game was rigged for years. And that Chip was a big part of it. Personally, I think that the online cheating right now is probably rampant. In fact, I thnk it is impossible to control the cheating online at this point. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Google; "Russ Georgiev" Link to post Share on other sites
BigDMcGee 3,358 Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 Google; "Russ Georgiev"I think Russ is an unrealiale kook.. it doesn't mean there aren't grains of thuth to alot of what he blows out there. Link to post Share on other sites
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