Pretty Scary

[weakdraw 0]

Did you guys see that huge post from "PokerRoom.com" in the thread at 2p2? It sounds like they have control of their own OnGame skin...I wonder if FCP is like Pokes Poker or PokerRoom.

Its the same people that owns pokerroom and ongame so its safe to say that Fcp or Pokes dont have the same "authority" over how things are runned"Ongame, a subsidiary of bwin Interactive Entertainment AG, is a world leader in digital entertainment with a focus on poker. It develops and markets everything from stand-alone products to turnkey solutions in poker and casino games for digital media. The company owns one of the world's most popular poker networks, Ongame Network with around 8.6 million registered players and several own gaming sites, including PokerRoom.com, EuroPoker.com, eCardroom.com and HoldemPoker.com"

[FCP Bob 1,312]

BUT am i right saying the FCP just like other "skins" really has no say when it comes to a decision made from the "ongame" network ?unless they dig into their own pockets and pay back!

I'm not going to comment on the relationship that other member sites have with On Game but we at FCP have a good one with our partners at the Network and are in constant communication with them.If one of our players is involved in a security or risk investigation the final decision that is made will be one that FCP agrees with and I trust that our players understand that I'll make sure that it's a fair one.

[RayPowers 0]

I'd like to say that despite FCP being rigged so that QQ is one of my biggest loss hands, Bob has been nothing but stellar in sending responses to me about issues.Ray

[umop-apisdn 0]

After reading the OP and his subsequent replies, all I can think of is thank god for online poker - how else can an obviously illiterate high-school dropout (or someone without muscle control in his hands at least) ever manage to amass $100k to have stolen from him...

Have you ever tried to contact someone at revenue canada or student finance to settle a financial dispute? Ya, good luck with getting anyone on the phone to help you. I guess you could always go down to the head office right? nope, they don't have one... they only have a P.O. Box. This stuff has to stop IMO.Some govenment officials should really start passing some legislation to put a stop to junk like this.

Hah - yes, more legislation is needed... Brilliant!How your revcan call should go:Press 1 for EnglishPress 0 for OperatorThem "Hello revenue canada, how can I direct your call?"You "I'd like to speak to your manager"Them "Certainly, may I ask why?"You "I'd like to speak to your manager"Them "Please wait, your call is important too us" (repeated 30 times 30 seconds apart)Them "How may I help you?"You "I'd like to speak to your manager"Repeat 10 times - you'll either end up speaking to the head honcho at the bank of Canada or have your call disappear into IVR limbo.

[cfinnn 0]

Any interest in an OVER/UNDER bet as to how long FCP remains a partof the ongame network??I figure 18 months is about right, and personally, I'm hoping for the UNDER.Ongame seems to be very -EV, for a multitude of reasons.

I really hope you're right.

How many times are u gonna post the same thing ?? We get it! U dont trust online sites... Others do (or have to) because they make a living that way!So plz stfu or stick to the subject.. fkin spammer

LOL. You made weak swear.

It doesn't matter if he colluded AT ALL.What matters if that OnGame have provided absolutely no evidence that he colluded.Without the evidence, he's innocent.

This is absolutely correct and is my primary concern. Freezing an account, giving somebody the runaround and then withholding all of their funds with no evidence whatesoever? I'd sue in a heartbeat. Whether in the US, Canada or Sweden, they have breached their own contract. It says they can freeze accounts indefinitely for suspicious activities. None were evidenced here, as of yet. And as far as I know the contract doesn't say they can keep all the funds with no reason or explanation, and if the contract does say something to that effect, then it is a contract that cannot be legally enforced anyway. Bring on the lawyers. I can't wait to see what happens.

[HonestPirate 0]

I think mates we be pretty safe with Captain Bob at the helm of the good ship FCP. He has always been more then fair with most. Im sure if anything like this occured here he be linning up the long nines and blasting. For future though mates might be a good idea to set a lower figure in ye heads and once ye reach that figure draw it out. After all ye can always put it back in.Savvy!

[MaryWithoutSound 0]

OnGame 'fixed it'.Jeffrey from OnGame responds

[HELL JR. 0]

royal tour, you are a ****ing moron. everyone is innocent until proven guilty you ****ing idiot, thus the reason irishcurve08's money is being sented back to him. they strongly concluded that he cheated and stated in an e-mail that his account would be "permanently banned with no chances for redemption" and yet after a big plubic dispute at 2+2, they backtracked, apologized, started blaming cheat-detection errors, and funded him his original roll. can you imagine the number of people whos banned accounts were too small to voice a public complaint againt ongame network that they willingly just gave in, imagine the profits that a network can produce w/ such a business ploy.

[grass Da 55 0]

a suit w/ a fancy tie trying to steal his client's money. ya don't say.

[HangukMiguk 8]

or he went broke, but instead he is claiming they took all his money I wish I was as logical as you...

Honestly, running 33K up to 70K in 10/20?!Unless he played his cash games like a tourney, I don't buy a word of it, and even if he did this, the chances he goes broke is way too high.

[MaryWithoutSound 0]

royal tour, you are a ****ing moron. everyone is innocent until proven guilty you ****ing idiot, thus the reason irishcurve08's money is being sented back to him. they strongly concluded that he cheated and stated in an e-mail that his account would be "permanently banned with no chances for redemption" and yet after a big plubic dispute at 2+2, they backtracked, apologized, started blaming cheat-detection errors, and funded him his original roll. can you imagine the number of people whos banned accounts were too small to voice a public complaint againt ongame network that they willingly just gave in, imagine the profits that a network can produce w/ such a business ploy.

..and imagine the profits they could lose, sir.

[aucu 3]

..and imagine the profits they could lose, sir.

They have all ready lost a lot.Any site/network that gets raked over the coals at 2+2 and RGP will lose.OnGame (PR,FCP,,,,) is no exception.

[Royal_Tour 0]

royal tour, you are a ****ing moron. everyone is innocent until proven guilty you ****ing idiot, thus the reason irishcurve08's money is being sented back to him. they strongly concluded that he cheated and stated in an e-mail that his account would be "permanently banned with no chances for redemption" and yet after a big plubic dispute at 2+2, they backtracked, apologized, started blaming cheat-detection errors, and funded him his original roll. can you imagine the number of people whos banned accounts were too small to voice a public complaint againt ongame network that they willingly just gave in, imagine the profits that a network can produce w/ such a business ploy.

who are you?About the ongame network reply, I dont think any of us assumed he wouldnt get his original cash back, but the ban should stay.since when should he be allowed to cheat until he gets caught, then just go play other sites?There was posts openly admitting to certain players using same accounts.On everysite i know of, thats a No NO

[HELL JR. 0]

since when should he be allowed to cheat until he gets caught, then just go play other sites?

since when was it that he was convicted of cheating?

There was posts openly admitting to certain players using same accounts.

you ever heard of dreamclown? remember in the bahamas when neverwin, eric lindgren, and negreanu all played on kid poker's account. why doesn't pokerroom just ban all of them. paul phillips has also admitted to playing on UB under a friend's account. it may be a poor ethic decision (debatable), but in no way it's such a serious offense that can be affiliated w/ cheating.i really want to hear your response regarding the neverwin, lindgren, negreanu incident.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Since when? , since he was caught i guessHe was already banned for cheating. sharing accountsPeople do it because either A- they dont have an account of their ownB - its a 1st time for them, they wanna see what its likeC - they dont think its a big deal.Its an issue thats impossible to enforce. Therefore people dont think of it as cheating.A secret agreement or cooperation between two or more individuals for an improper purpose. (improper purpose can be as little as sharing account details which is prohibited by sites. but again, since extremely difficult to enforce, the sites must resort to notifying players in terms of service that its their sole responisibility and any issues that occure with their account is at their own risk.)There is a reason you cant play 10/20 at a casino, and then call your friend to come sit in your seat cuz you're up a bunch but have to leave.

[HELL JR. 0]

....improper purpose....There is a reason you cant play 10/20 at a casino, and then call your friend to come sit in your seat cuz you're up a bunch but have to leave.great comeback, now pls excuse me while i go take a dump. good day.

[Royal_Tour 0]

....improper purpose....There is a reason you cant play 10/20 at a casino, and then call your friend to come sit in your seat cuz you're up a bunch but have to leave.great comeback, now pls excuse me while i go take a dump. good day.

You're a fool. stay off the big boy threads, you obviously cant voice an educated opinion.

[HELL JR. 0]

Since when? , since he was caught i guess....uh...uh...uh....uh....He was already banned for cheating. .....response regarding the neverwin, eric lindgren, negreanu incident. well....uh....uh....uh....uh....well they're famous, he's not. BAN HIM!!big boy thread. i wonder if you'll mastrubate to your own avatar while posting your 9000th post. when it comes, i recommend playing the tune you hear in them diaper comercials, "I'M A BIG KID NOW." lollollolbtw royal tour, this is a gimmick account. i'm a senior to you member #2,425. if there was an initiation process, you would've definitly been my bytch, big boy. lol

[Royal_Tour 0]

Since when? , since he was caught i guess....uh...uh...uh....uh....He was already banned for cheating. .....response regarding the neverwin, eric lindgren, negreanu incident. well....uh....uh....uh....uh....well they're famous, he's not. BAN HIM!!big boy thread. i wonder if you'll mastrubate to your own avatar while posting your 9000th post. when it comes, i recommend playing the tune you hear in them diaper comercials, "I'M A BIG KID NOW." lollollolbtw royal tour, this is a gimmick account. i'm a senior to you member #2,425. if there was an initiation process, you would've definitly been my bytch, big boy. lol

I stand corrected, Not only are you a fool, but your status in society is somewhere between a maggot and the white residue that accumulates in the corner of your mouth when thirsty.If u look at what i wrote, I said its hard to catch these people, and i stand by my views that joint account sharing should not be allowed.I never said anything about lindgren, neverwin, negreanu being OK., i dont know the situation, i just stated what sites should do if they have reason to believe people are breaking rules.uuh uhh uh duhh, u phucking retard

[HELL JR. 0]

I never said anything about lindgren, neverwin, negreanu being OK., i dont know the situationi just stated what sites should do if they have reason to believe people are breaking rules.don't know the situation? c'mon, everyone knows you ****ing live here. the situation is simple, negreanu shared his account w/ friends, irishcurve08 shared his account w/ friends. don't go contradicting yourself tour. if anyone in this forum was given a chance to test themselves on kid poker's account, they would've jumped on it (yes, you included) and there would be 50 threads nuthugging the member's every move. tell me it ain't true.EXAMPLE:DN: "hey tour, i'm bored w/ this 50-100 game. take over for me, i'm confident you can handle it."Tour: "sorry DN, considering improper purpose, i think it is against the rules and i don't wanna fore take in anything illegal."DN: "ok..."Forum:"OMFG, IS ROYAL TOUR ****ING RETARDED."LOL, do you see why irishcurve08 is not guilty of cheating?

[grass Da 55 0]

hey hey hey, smoke weed everyday.

[GWCGWC 83]

I'm not going to comment on the relationship that other member sites have with On Game but we at FCP have a good one with our partners at the Network and are in constant communication with them.If one of our players is involved in a security or risk investigation the final decision that is made will be one that FCP agrees with and I trust that our players understand that I'll make sure that it's a fair one.

It's my understanding that the banking side of FCP is done independently from the ongame network. If this isn't the case, then so be it.I have complete trust in the integrity of FCP and how any "incident" would be handled. Ofcourse, I don't have anything to worry about and I hate cheaters more than mesquitos. Which is to say, a lot.