"i'll Put You All-in"

[David_Nicoson 1]

Gary Carson flamed me on rec.gambling.poker on this topic.Weigh in. I'm hoping for validation, but I'll take education.

[trystero 0]

Personally I think it's a condescending and stupid phrase. I guess I can see the point if you're in a multiway pot, but then why are you focusing on just one opponent? If you're HU then just say 'all-in.' It has the same effect.

[bleacherbum3 9]

If it's a multi-way pot, I would state the numeric value of my bet to avoid confusion.If I'm 1st to act and have player 2 covered, and say "I'll put you all-in", player 3 then only hears the words "all-in" and assumes I'm all-in, and there is confusion,

[simo_8ball 0]

Personally I think it's a condescending and stupid phrase. I guess I can see the point if you're in a multiway pot, but then why are you focusing on just one opponent? If you're HU then just say 'all-in.' It has the same effect.

Heads up it is clearly trivial. This is not about heads up.I think it is fairly standard. Honestly, it would slow the game unnecessarily if you had to ask for a specific count of someone's chips, count out that much yourself and bet it. If someone behind wants to get involved then fine, do the counting then.

[The Bwaves 0]

Gary Carson flamed me on rec.gambling.poker on this topic.Weigh in. I'm hoping for validation, but I'll take education.

Gary Carson the writer?******************************If you say "i'll put you all in" it directly apply's the player next in action. It happens most often when you're involved in a squeeze play and someone picks up a big hand. You raise, a player calls, the next play moves in and you look at the player behind you and tell him that you'll put him all in because you have the most chips. I can't really think of another example where it wouldn't be confusing.I really don't think this happens enough for it to be a problem. I've done it and so have many tournament players I've played with but it's never come to a point where there's confusion or someone lies about a chip count.Moral:I guess we just say "all in". I think when players say, "I'll put you all in" it's a tell on weakness (acting stronger than they are). I don't know what's the point of this thread again?

[simo_8ball 0]

If it's a multi-way pot, I would state the numeric value of my bet to avoid confusion.If I'm 1st to act and have player 2 covered, and say "I'll put you all-in", player 3 then only hears the words "all-in" and assumes I'm all-in, and there is confusion,

It isn't that common that both the dealer and the player behind mistake the bet. Even then, most of the time it can be sorted amicably before any trouble ensues. This situation isn't really about that either. It doesn't matter whether you say 'I put him allin' or 'I bet however much that guy has left', the situation is the same.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Gary Carson the writer?

yeah.

[trystero 0]

Heads up it is clearly trivial. This is not about heads up.I think it is fairly standard. Honestly, it would slow the game unnecessarily if you had to ask for a specific count of someone's chips, count out that much yourself and bet it. If someone behind wants to get involved then fine, do the counting then.

Why do you care what someone's stack is when you're deciding to bet? I understand for the purposes of implied odds. I understand for the purposes of whether to call a bet. But why for when you bet? Your decision on how much to bet should principally rely on the pot's contents, not whether Seat 3 has $78 or $92. Suppose you're in the SB, see a flop, and the pot contains $60. There are three to act behind you. You actually say to the BB 'I'll put you all-in'? How about, 'I bet fifty dollars.' If that leaves the BB with $10 and he wants to push, all right, he can push. Admittedly I don't play in casinos with any sort of regularity, but this just sounds like common sense. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[simo_8ball 0]

Suppose you're in the SB, see a flop, and the pot contains $60. There are three to act behind you. You actually say to the BB 'I'll put you all-in'? How about, 'I bet fifty dollars.' If that leaves the BB with $10 and he wants to push, all right, he can push.

Suppose it's the river. I would want the extra $10.

[lvpro 0]

Gary Carson needs to grow up. I saw no reason for name-calling in that discussion.As far as the question goes, I personally would ask for a count. It might slow down the game, but I'm siding with David in thinking that too many things can go wrong.

[Naismith 0]

Why do you care what someone's stack is when you're deciding to bet? I understand for the purposes of implied odds. I understand for the purposes of whether to call a bet. But why for when you bet? Your decision on how much to bet should principally rely on the pot's contents, not whether Seat 3 has $78 or $92. Suppose you're in the SB, see a flop, and the pot contains $60. There are three to act behind you. You actually say to the BB 'I'll put you all-in'? How about, 'I bet fifty dollars.' If that leaves the BB with $10 and he wants to push, all right, he can push. Admittedly I don't play in casinos with any sort of regularity, but this just sounds like common sense. Correct me if I'm wrong.

There are lots of reasons to know your opponent's stack size. Let's say you're in that same situation and you flop the nuts. You know that your opponent in seat three with 92 dollars is willing to make a move on a pot if he senses weakness. Are you going to bet 50? You're not leaving him enough money to make a bluff at it.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I guess we just say "all in". I think when players say, "I'll put you all in" it's a tell on weakness (acting stronger than they are). I don't know what's the point of this thread again?

Um..you missed it. Three players in the pot.Player A (1000)Player B (4500)Player C (6000)Player B says to Player A, "I put you all in" ..room for error, yes, but, generally understood to mean, "I bet 1000" Now, he's got Player C behind him, are you sure you just want to randomly say "All in"? Situations like mentioned in the thread, I ask, "Can I get a count..?" and then only announce the amount that the *dealer* tells me. Oh, and Gary Carson's a fucking joke.

[trystero 0]

There are lots of reasons to know your opponent's stack size. Let's say you're in that same situation and you flop the nuts. You know that your opponent in seat three with 92 dollars is willing to make a move on a pot if he senses weakness. Are you going to bet 50? You're not leaving him enough money to make a bluff at it.

But the bet size does that for me. If I flop the nuts and know Seat 3 will make a play if he senses weakness, I am not betting $50 into a $60 pot. That's far from weak. I'll bet like $20 instead and it's not because he has $92 behind and can now bluff; I bet $20 because 1/3 of the pot looks weak. The bet size does the talking for me. If he doesn't even have enough money to try to bluff me when I bet so insignificantly then there's no point even concerning myself with him. What am I going to do knowing he has just $40 behind, bet $6 into a $60 pot? That gives everyone on the East Coast the odds to call.FWIW I don't want it to seem as if I never know what my opponent's stack size is, because I always do (online even an idiot like me can tell, and live I approximate). As I said implied odds matter, as does knowing how much heat we'll be taking should we call, e.g. we call an opponent's $20 bet with a flush draw, but if he only has $13 behind we may as well push. It's just that, when betting, I don't see it as overly important, especially not when the purpose of it is to put ONE player (not me) all-in.

[krup24 0]

Never in my life have I said this. I'm not sure why but I just bet all in or knowing the stack I bet enough to put opponent all in

[burbs42 0]

I'm of the impression that "I'll put you all in" is not an honored defined bet in most casinos. "I'm all in" is a valid bet. I run a poker game, and in this situation I would personally not hold the player to a $3000 bet.

[holyfield 0]

i think everyone understands what this means dont see how it could confuse. you could ask them to sit there and count out their whole stack before you decide, or you could speed the process up if you know you want to bet their stack and say i put you all in, if any calls they count it out, if not they dont........i personally think its a very deceptive play, it can be used as a bluff or a large value bet that gets paid off.depending on the game and players im sure you get a wide variety of different reactions, some people might take offense but i dont think they should in a multi person potthe goal is to get people out of the tournament but if the person after the guy you put all in has many more chips than you or that guy you wouldnt want to go all in. so you make a bet to put one of the guys at risk for all his chips then play the rest of the hand heads up

[BearCanada 0]

Hey,I'm curious how a casino would handle this. If you say to someone in a threeway pot, "I'll put you all in." Is that the same as a verbal all-in. If the person you are speaking to is the smallest of the three stacks my guess is the dealer would ask you to clarify a specific amount. Thoughts?-Bear

[holyfield 0]

they count out the persons stack and thats how much it is

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

I'm of the impression that "I'll put you all in" is not an honored defined bet in most casinos. "I'm all in" is a valid bet. I run a poker game, and in this situation I would personally not hold the player to a $3000 bet.

Theoretically, the 'all in' is all that's heard. It's the same as if I'm in a hand with you, and you fold what you claim is a big hand, and I say, "I'll call for him.." with every intention of folding. They only hear "I'll call"

Hey,I'm curious how a casino would handle this. If you say to someone in a threeway pot, "I'll put you all in." Is that the same as a verbal all-in. If the person you are speaking to is the smallest of the three stacks my guess is the dealer would ask you to clarify a specific amount. Thoughts?-Bear

From my experience, it's all relative. If Player C forces the dealer to call the verbal declaration of, "I put you all in" as Player B saying, "I'm all in", then it holds. If Player C is okay with Player B only betting Player A's stack, then it stands as such.

[Garn 0]

no one puts me all in but me fool

[Royal_Tour 0]

I cant stand people who use this line, thats not a bet, YOu can bet an amount large enough to make them invest all their chips, or you can i'll go all in. etc..

[CrazyJoe 0]

how is this confusing? i don't see how this could cause any problems if people are even mildly paying attention.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

how is this confusing? i don't see how this could cause any problems if people are even mildly paying attention.

Did you read the link to RGP?If a player has a stack or two of green behind all his 5's..you ask him how much he has..He says, "About 800.." And then you say, "I'll put you all in".. then when he calls, his stack is actually 3k because he'd forgot/angle shot the greens in back.

[Zach6668 513]

Wow.I just read through most of that thread, and Gary Carson is a douchebag.