XXEddie 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I am the villian in this hand. Small MTT just started 1200 to start. I have 1600, You(SB) have 1300, BB has 1400.Villian(me) is in the COYou are in small blind with As Acfolds to MP, MP limps, Villian limps, Button folds, You raise to 60, BB calls MP calls, Villian calls.flop; Js 6s 2s.You lead for 100, BB raises you to 350, Villian thinks for a minute and pushes, You.....what do I have, what would you do, and do not comment on his weak raise pf and weak bet Link to post Share on other sites
copernicus 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 then i wont comment at all, since thats where the hand got butchered. Link to post Share on other sites
semaj550 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, knowing nothing else, I am most likely putting you on a hand like 66 or possibly JJ and I'm folding. I'm about a 3:2 against you and it's resonable to put the BB on a hand like Ts9s. If I'm correct about the BB I'm only about 25% to win this hand and I'm not gambling my whole stack in that situation early on. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted September 7, 2006 Author Share Posted September 7, 2006 Well, knowing nothing else, I am most likely putting you on a hand like 66 or possibly JJ and I'm folding. I'm about a 3:2 against you and it's resonable to put the BB on a hand like Ts9s. If I'm correct about the BB I'm only about 25% to win this hand and I'm not gambling my whole stack in that situation early on.I agree on what the BB should do, but I feel insulted that you think I would lip with JJ there Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted September 7, 2006 Share Posted September 7, 2006 I'm horrible at figuring out what to discount for the other players cards ( BB ).But we can assume BB calls the push a fair amountAnd then we are getting a bit better than 2:1.I doubt the AAs is ahead, as most semi bluff pushes here would include the As. And since BB will fold sometimes when we are 35-40% to win, when BB calls, I"d say we are 25%-ish? to win, and so I'd fold.Hero should foldDo I win something? Link to post Share on other sites
semaj550 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I agree on what the BB should do, but I feel insulted that you think I would lip with JJ thereI'm more confident that you have 66 than JJ, like I said I don't know anything about you, only what you provided in the scenario. Link to post Share on other sites
jjgoldy5 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I think the BB's range is much wider, he could be on KsJ or any jack that thinks you are Cbetting.Obviously the third raise is very strong and could be a set (6s or 2s) or a made low flush...definitely not a semibluff since we hold the A.Against a low flush we have 8 outs and need 2:1 to continue.Against a set we have 11 outs for almost a coinflip.Basically, I'm going to look at the BB, and if it looks like he's going to call, then I'll play.However, if I think that I am a lot better than you, I'm folding. Link to post Share on other sites
simo_8ball 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I think villain has 2 pair, but I think we should fold. I think we will miss our outs. B) Link to post Share on other sites
magnus72 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 KsQs? Link to post Share on other sites
semaj550 0 Posted September 8, 2006 Share Posted September 8, 2006 I think the BB's range is much wider, he could be on KsJ or any jack that thinks you are Cbetting.Obviously the third raise is very strong and could be a set (6s or 2s) or a made low flush...definitely not a semibluff since we hold the A.Against a low flush we have 8 outs and need 2:1 to continue.Against a set we have 11 outs for almost a coinflip.Basically, I'm going to look at the BB, and if it looks like he's going to call, then I'll play.However, if I think that I am a lot better than you, I'm folding.I don't think the all-in means a made flush of any type. A higher FD only has 7 outs so he's not going to be in a big hurry to push all-in. To me this bet screams set or 2 pair. Since any 2 pair on this board is very unlikely I think we're looking at a set of 6's.The BB's bet seems more like a flush to me, he's obviously not afraid of the 3 spades and we know he doesn't have something like A J. So the only hands that really made sense to me are connectors suited in spades, anything like T9, 98 or 87...maybe even 54. K J is also possible but I can't seem him raising the turn without holding the nut card.I think the only way we can call here is if the BB looks like he is going to fold, not call. Even then I don't like the call because we are behind and not really getting great odds to draw. I think if the BB is calling it's only with the flush which means we're probably about 25% to win the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
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