JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 So after all of our 'insights' into the REAL Jamie Gold and what a complete scumbag he is, now we have another final table winner with thuggish ways...http://www.cardplayer.com/poker_news/news_...class=PokerNewsWhat is it with these guys? It seems that the prestige is being sucked out of the game with these scumbags continuing to do well. As good as the 'poker boom' has been for all the true professionals, its got to make them sick to see scumbags like this representing the 'poker world'. The ME has been tarnished for a year and hopefully next year we can have some redemption with someone who will truly represent! Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 got it now.*edited* Link to post Share on other sites
doublemeup 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Wow Just think if Allen had won the ME how great that would've been for poker. Now we have Jamie ****ing Gold. Not to mention this dummie at the final table. What a dumbass. Link to post Share on other sites
StrippersNBlow 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes, we need someone respectable to win. Like someone who isn't a degenerate gambler, is a really nice guy, doesn't drink, doesn't do any drugs, and doesn't front for an illegal online offshore poker site. A good ole cowboy type, like Johnny Moss or Amarillo Slim. Respectable sorts. Good luck with your search. Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes, we need someone respectable to win. Like someone who isn't a degenerate gambler, is a really nice guy, doesn't drink, doesn't do any drugs, and doesn't front for an illegal online offshore poker site. A good ole cowboy type, like Johnny Moss or Amarillo Slim. Respectable sorts. Good luck with your search.If I am not mistaken this is the first time in the History of the WSOP there has been such a controversy over the the ME winner. There would be an argument for Stu Unger and his drug history but I dont remember this much stink over a ME winner let alone another ME finalist. Richard becomes a millionaire and still finds it necessary to run illegal games out of his house! What a d00che! Im not saying there is every going to be a 'squeeky clean' winner but at least someone who is able to represent without being involved in some sort of lawsuit or under investigation for illegal gambling rings. LOL give me a break! Link to post Share on other sites
shinychicken 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 You have it wrong Jade. This is a game that anyone can win at and we need all kinds of people to win so that new people keep flocking to the game. Sure Gold is a ****** for the lies he told, but that will actually help the game in the long run IMOP. The thing that needs to be fixed is the WSOP committee. They need to fix the problems so that it turns into the event that it is supposed to be. Link to post Share on other sites
CrazyJoe 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 thug? it's not like the guy is running meth out of his basement, he was a bookie for christ's sake, it's not that big of a deal. Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=73091 Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 You have it wrong Jade. This is a game that anyone can win at and we need all kinds of people to win so that new people keep flocking to the game. Sure Gold is a ****** for the lies he told, but that will actually help the game in the long run IMOP. The thing that needs to be fixed is the WSOP committee. They need to fix the problems so that it turns into the event that it is supposed to be. I am talking about those that will REPRESENT the poker world for the next 11 months. People who will be a good ambassador for poker. Lee is not that, and certianly not Gold. I dont care who wins as long as you can represent poker in a way that it deserves. Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 I just came across this story on Poker News. They had an interesting take..."The fascinating question that this investigation raises is this - If authorities decide that Lee's buy in to the Main Event was secured with ill gotten funds, would they then have the right to seize the $2.8 Million Dollars Lee won with his 6th place finish?"Talk about a bad beat. Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 thug? it's not like the guy is running meth out of his basement, he was a bookie for christ's sake, it's not that big of a deal.You may not think its that big a deal but its a felony in the state of Texas and if you are going to be one of the guys representing poker, the last thing we need is the stereotypical 'degenerate' representing the game. It doesnt help poker, it takes it back to the stone age and further away from a legitimate profession in the eyes of the public. I can see it now, state law makers all over the country trying to keep poker from being legal in their state are clapping their hands at Lee right now proving that 'this is what poker does to people' I can just see it as fuel for the fire. Those of you in vegas have no problem because its legal, but for those of us fighting to make it legal here in Texas, it just disgusts me to have this guy in the news. We've done well the last few years having respectable ME Champions, but this is just 2 steps backwards for the poker world.http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=73091My OP has nothing to do with notifying people about the article, it is simply to use the article to spur conversation about the effect these 'bad seeds' have on the world view of poker. Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 We've done well the last few years having respectable ME Champions, but this is just 2 steps backwards for the poker world.Did you just call Chris Moneymaker respectable? He'll be so pleased. Link to post Share on other sites
shinychicken 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Just by winning the main event doesn't mean that you have to represent poker. Gold can back out of a lot of things if he wants. The only reason the other guys were even somewhat representatives was because of Pokerstars throwing them around in ads. There is a lot of stuff that you don't even know like Raymer only owned 55% of himself (sold shares for part of the entry fee) the year he won it all and thats one of the big reasons he took off to do some other things to bring in some money. Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Did you just call Chris Moneymaker respectable? He'll be so pleased.Im talking from an image standpoint. And yes since moneymaker, regardless of how bad a player he is, put poker on the mainstream map. Link to post Share on other sites
richgambler 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yes, we need someone respectable to win. Like someone who isn't a degenerate gambler, is a really nice guy, doesn't drink, doesn't do any drugs, and doesn't front for an illegal online offshore poker site. A good ole cowboy type, like Johnny Moss or Amarillo Slim. Respectable sorts. Good luck with your search. Exactly what I was thinking after I read the article......NH Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Just by winning the main event doesn't mean that you have to represent poker. Gold can back out of a lot of things if he wants. The only reason the other guys were even somewhat representatives was because of Pokerstars throwing them around in ads. There is a lot of stuff that you don't even know like Raymer only owned 55% of himself (sold shares for part of the entry fee) the year he won it all and thats one of the big reasons he took off to do some other things to bring in some money.First of all, please do not claim to know what I know or dont know. I am well aware of a lot of the goings-on in the poker world. Secondly, there is a lot of responsibility that comes from being a World Champion, regardless of what poker site you hail from. The ME Champion being in the news and being sued by this guy and that guy, and along with Lee, it is bad poker press. That is what I mean. If it was Joe Schmo Donkey from Irving, Texas gets his gambling ring busted it wouldnt be a big deal, but you final table the main event you better clean your sh!t up. Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Let's see. Doyle Brunson grew up playing poker in Texas. Cardrooms and poker were illegal in Texas at the time (and probably still are). It's funny how "corporate" poker has gotten. Part of poker's appeal (to me anyway) is how its always been portrayed on T.V..... In the Wild West played by shady "gun slingers". Link to post Share on other sites
psujohn 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 90% of the people on this site wouldn't qualify to "represent poker" if you only want someone who's squeaky clean. Online poker in the US is quite possibly already illegal. Many here have visited underground rooms. Many have run "illegal" home games. It's not possible to play poker for money legally in some states. Lots of people here smoke illegal substances. I'm not sure I'd hold up anyone to too much scrutiny. And besides, it sounds like this guy did all this before the ME. If everyone who cashes has to immediately give up all their vices the hookers and dealers would all be out of work. Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Let's see. Doyle Brunson grew up playing poker in Texas. Cardrooms and poker were illegal in Texas at the time (and probably still are). It's funny how "corporate" poker has gotten. Part of poker's appeal (to me anyway) is how its always been portrayed on T.V..... In the Wild West played by shady "gun slingers".Yes, that little trip down memory lane was nice, but wouldnt it be great if you walk into any city in the country and play poker legally? That is what I want. I live in a state where it is legal to place bets on horses, play the lottery, and cash in at tuesday night BINGO but I cant walk into a card room and play poker without risking citation or being hauled off to jail. My whole point is that these guys dont help the cause of legalizing live poker, let alone online poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Teffy 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 If I am not mistaken this is the first time in the History of the WSOP there has been such a controversy over the the ME winner. There would be an argument for Stu Unger and his drug history but I dont remember this much stink over a ME winner let alone another ME finalist. Richard becomes a millionaire and still finds it necessary to run illegal games out of his house! What a d00che! Im not saying there is every going to be a 'squeeky clean' winner but at least someone who is able to represent without being involved in some sort of lawsuit or under investigation for illegal gambling rings. LOL give me a break!Read the article. He had been under investigation for months.Anyhow, this is a. Vegas and b. poker we're talking about here. Do you think this is the first, second, or even thousandsth time someone with an illegal book-making operation has cashed in the WSOP? Gimme a break. I guarantee you there have been drug dealers, arms dealers, bookies and yes, probably even murderers who have cashed in the WSOP. Heck, even a child molester has won the WSOP ME (allegedly) This guy is a small fry. Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 90% of the people on this site wouldn't qualify to "represent poker" if you only want someone who's squeaky clean. Online poker in the US is quite possibly already illegal. Many here have visited underground rooms. Many have run "illegal" home games. It's not possible to play poker for money legally in some states. Lots of people here smoke illegal substances. I'm not sure I'd hold up anyone to too much scrutiny. And besides, it sounds like this guy did all this before the ME. If everyone who cashes has to immediately give up all their vices the hookers and dealers would all be out of work.Clearly I am speaking with people who do not understand the point im trying to make. I dont expect the ME winner to be squeaky clean. Ive already said that. But can any of you tell me the amount of 'bad' press generated from Moneymaker, Raymer, or Hachem winning the ME? Or any final table winners from the last 3 years for that matter? There may be a snippet here and there that may be found if you really dug around and searched, but its not even a full month after Gold's win and we have two players in the news for their shady business practices or illegal dealings. I know most poker players out there are degenerate gamblers and donkeys and find no success in life but from keeping bad company, cheating, sleeping around, drinking, and smoking dope, but there are some of us who would one day like to make a living playing poker. I want to be able to look my wife and children in the eyes everyday with no shame or the need to tell them I make my money illegally. The few of us out there that think playing poker can be a legitimate profession want more for poker than the overall world view of a low-brow hustler. We would all love for those illegal card rooms to be legal. It would be great to have a casino/card room in every city in the world and it would be great to see poker players show up in FORBES for their business savvy. If the poker world starts seeing bad press like Lee and Gold have generated we may all be 'rounding' with the risk of being jailed or felted by the law. I dont want to see that happen, and anyone who doesnt think the same thing is just never going to understand. Link to post Share on other sites
umop-apisdn 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 If the poker world starts seeing bad press like Lee and Gold have generated we may all be 'rounding' with the risk of being jailed or felted by the law. I dont want to see that happen, and anyone who doesnt think the same thing is just never going to understand.Then trying to show you why your argument is wrong is pointless. Wallow in ignorance then! Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Share Posted August 30, 2006 Then trying to show you why your argument is wrong is pointless. Wallow in ignorance then! ditto Link to post Share on other sites
tobytobey 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 What's stopping you from moving to a place where you can legally gamble in a card room? It's not like you you dont have many choices.It is hypocritcal to allow horse wagering, bingo, lotto (all of which are offered in my state as well) and not allow poker. What's even worse is that you can play poker and games of chance for charitable organizations. It would be interesting to hear from people who live in Detroit and how the casinos have affected the city and surrounding communities. Link to post Share on other sites
umop-apisdn 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 What's stopping you from moving to a place where you can legally gamble in a card room? It's not like you you dont have many choices.It is hypocritcal to allow horse wagering, bingo, lotto (all of which are offered in my state as well) and not allow poker. What's even worse is that you can play poker and games of chance for charitable organizations. It would be interesting to hear from people who live in Detroit and how the casinos have affected the city and surrounding communities.Every town I've been in with a large (or multiple) casinos have had depressed areas very close. Link to post Share on other sites
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