boboscards 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 So I am playing in $35 nl tourny. Down to 13 players, blinds are at 200-400. I have about 6k in chips. Look down to see AA. I am on the button and I have two players go all in in front of me. The chip leader calls the 1st all-in which was about 3k. He has me covered but I have to move in with AA. Of course he has QQ and catches one on the turn while I find out that all the aces are out of the deck and drawing dead on the river. I guess the the thing is, if I fold here I make the money most likely since they are paying top ten and I am middle of the pack in chips. Oh well, wanted to win and will have to try again next week. Link to post Share on other sites
MarionSauce 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 oh well it happens, i mean, you could just fold AA and try to make the money, but really.. Link to post Share on other sites
TucsonMonster 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 There is a good article in the new CardPlayer by Phil Hellmuth himself saying when it is good to fold pocket rockets. This is the exact situation he is trying to relay. Why go all in risking not placing in the money if you know at best you might have 4.5 to 1 odds? It is just a safe play to let it go. Personally with that many all ins and callers i might have folded, but then again i wasnt there,lol. Link to post Share on other sites
Mandelbrot 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 AA pre-flop is an 82% favorite, that's it. Link to post Share on other sites
ajs1281 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Thats not the point of phils article, he is talking satellite where 1-10 would have gotten paid the same its good to fold em just to get in since there is no reward for finishing 1st over 10th, in a payoff in cash you have to make a play here since the top spots hold so much of the money Link to post Share on other sites
dpianomn 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 yes, the reference to phil's article is completely out of context...also, there are only 3 people in the pot (including you)--you only bust if you lose to the big stack who might not even call your all in (which we all know he did). your push was absolutely correct. Link to post Share on other sites
hoof31 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 how many people were in this tourney? Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 The only reason you'd want to fold is if 10th place paid only a bit less than 1st, or something ridiculous like that. Either that, or EVERYONE remaining would have had to be all in with relatively even stacks.It's still far too early to worry about sacrificing huge chip gains in favor of a position that pays a marginal amount. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Obvious you can't fold aces here, need to go for the W.Not to mention 6k chips with those blinds and you need 3 people to get out before you do. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 you can't fold AA. You may never get it again... ever... :wink: Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 AA pre-flop is an 82% favorite, that's it.Just wanted to point out that its an 82% favourite vs one caller. In this case there were two callers, in which the odds drop to something like 65% or so, depending on the hands your opponents hold.Still, at this point in the tourney, Im pushing with AA too.Dev Link to post Share on other sites
boboscards 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 Since a couple of people asked. I think there were about 110 players. Also the other hand that went all in was with AJo. Link to post Share on other sites
JimmyWellington 1 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 This is an insta-push. PH's article (as was previously covered) did NOT talk about this situation. Against 2 all ins there's no way I fold AA (in this situation). So the guy sucked out on you, that sucks. But the vast majority of the time you win, and you would double through the chip leader. AA v QQ v AJ, that's everything you could ask for. You only lose to one of 2 Qs or 2 of 3 Js, barring a straight or flush, which is not very likely, especially since AJ is offsuit. Of course you wouldn't know their hands preflop, but against 2 people, you push. Link to post Share on other sites
hoof31 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Share Posted March 21, 2005 Since a couple of people asked. I think there were about 110 players. Also the other hand that went all in was with AJo.How could the chip leader only have 3k if there were 110 in the tourney and it was down to 11? Link to post Share on other sites
boboscards 0 Posted March 21, 2005 Author Share Posted March 21, 2005 How could the chip leader only have 3k if there were 110 in the tourney and it was down to 11?The chip leader called an all-in that was 3k. He had plenty more then that. I do know that he more than enough to cover my 6k or so. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest XXEddie Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 AA pre-flop is an 82% favorite, that's it.not against 3 other players Link to post Share on other sites
Aaron Beaudry 0 Posted March 22, 2005 Share Posted March 22, 2005 Don't feel bad I was at the monte carlo in Vegas and my first hand was AA and lost it to J8, put me on full TILT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
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