jcashx36x 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36x Link to post Share on other sites
Aerriza 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xBet enough so that they do not have the right pot odds to chase them? Link to post Share on other sites
Teavis 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Take their cards and tear them up. Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xEscort them cheaply to the turn and charge them huge amounts of money with one card to draw. Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xUh, well how have we assumed they are on a draw?1st, with AK, i'm raising preflop., depending on table size and position i'm also raising AQ and maybe AJs2nd do we have any of their suit that they could be drawing too?3rd - We raise enough to assume they wont be drawing to a low straight like that. so lets say pot is now 30 bucks, and its headup (1 on 1), and it checks to us. I bet out 30. (the pot). that doesnt give them correct odds to chase, and if they do chase, we win more often then not, so if the flush hits, you consider them a lucky donkey if they have it. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 This is very close to my previous flush-draw qusestion. In a tournament situation, it's entirely possible that the person with the flush draw could push if you bet the pot, putting you on a tough call. If he's an aggressive player, I'd say he's very likely to do it. If you push, they may not call (if they're smart), realizing that they probably have < 40% chance of winning the hand, and you pick up a small pot. It's possibly a situation where you win-small, or lose big...But as I stated in the previous thread, a lot of low-limit players think flush-draws are coin-flips, and they're more than willing to push or even call, if the pot is large enough. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xTo come at this question from another angle, if you raised 3X BB from early postion, and there are a couple callers behind you, it may be possible that the guy in late position has 7c 8c (yes it's unlikely), but this is exactly the hand that you dream for with 7c 8c, being a statistical favorite to win the hand. If I'm holding 7c 8c and I've got a big stack, I want nothing more than for you to make a big bet, possibly for all your chips. If you don't I may put you all-in anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xPush.Stack sizes? Preflop action? Size of the pot? Read? Give us something other than the ace + paint range of our hand. At least give stack sizes.Escort them cheaply to the turn and charge them huge amounts of money with one card to draw.Letting them see another card is exactly how NOT to protect your hand from draws. Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Letting them see another card is exactly how NOT to protect your hand from draws.Agreed... And note: When you post for help be as specific as possible because people give answers that may be appropriate for one game (tourney play that advice about seeing the turn to protect your tourney life might be half decent) but not another... Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Agreed... And note: When you post for help be as specific as possible because people give answers that may be appropriate for one game (tourney play that advice about seeing the turn to protect your tourney life might be half decent) but not another......and you're on (or near) the bubble and his stack is 52X bigger than yours. Link to post Share on other sites
STYLINHAWYN 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Letting them see another card is exactly how NOT to protect your hand from draws.so overpushing is your solution to this problem? I dont know about you, but i'd rather put myself in a better situation to win the pot than getting it all in on the flop as a 67% favorite. some people will call off a full buy-in with nothing more than four to a flush. I'm pretty sure those odds don't work in your favor...play small ball and keep the pot small, play some poker and read your oponnents hand. It's always better to win a small pot than to lose a big one. also playing it this way, if the flush card comes on 4th or 5th street, it will be a lot easier to get away from if you have less money invested. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 so overpushing is your solution to this problem?I'm all-in, I'm all-in again, and then I'm betting another T2000. Link to post Share on other sites
Sluggo 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xThree options.1) Fold. You'll never be drawn out on.2) Push the flop. You'll rarely be drawn out on.3) Bet the pot on the flop. You'll occassionally be drawn out on.4) Check until the river, and only put money in the pot if the draws missed. You'll commonly be drawn out on.#3 is the most profitable, generally. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Three options.1) Fold. You'll never be drawn out on.2) Push the flop. You'll rarely be drawn out on.3) Bet the pot on the flop. You'll occassionally be drawn out on.4) Check until the river, and only put money in the pot if the draws missed. You'll commonly be drawn out on.#3 is the most profitable, generally.Good advice.If you do #3, and someone reraises (when you raised pre-flop), I'd consider folding. Best case, they have the same hand, or are on that flush draw, worst case, they know exactly what you have and have made either trips or 2-pair (even 5-6 is quite possible). Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
mtdesmoines 2 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Push.Stack sizes? Preflop action? Size of the pot? Read? Give us something other than the ace + paint range of our hand. At least give stack sizes.Letting them see another card is exactly how NOT to protect your hand from draws.Unless you have a bona fide calling station. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Unless you have a bona fide calling station."When do I not have implied odds???" Link to post Share on other sites
BuffDan 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 so overpushing is your solution to this problem? I dont know about you, but i'd rather put myself in a better situation to win the pot than getting it all in on the flop as a 67% favorite. some people will call off a full buy-in with nothing more than four to a flush. I'm pretty sure those odds don't work in your favor...How does getting all your money in as a 67% favorite mean the odds are NOT working in your favor? I would say that if you are playing an opponent who will always call with 4 to the flush, then you happily push and make lots of money. Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 Take their cards and tear them up.You actually made me "LOL" Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 "When do I not have implied odds???"When they don't have more chips, when they are tight players that you can safely assume will foldWhen you know they don't have a hand/know they won't call... you should really only factor implied odds in when you know/think they have a strong hand that when you improve you will beat,know/think they will call if you do make your hand, they have chips Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 so overpushing is your solution to this problem? I dont know about you, but i'd rather put myself in a better situation to win the pot than getting it all in on the flop as a 67% favorite. some people will call off a full buy-in with nothing more than four to a flush. I'm pretty sure those odds don't work in your favor...you pass on 67% edges for an entire buy in?you probably play too high and are scared to lose then.Cash games are all about edges. 2:1 is ENORMOUS.it is my humble opinion that the average poster around here is getting dumbernot you Stylin, just on average.***************************of course, we may be behind to a made set; however, I'm simply responding based on the assumption we see the FD and he's willing to gamble Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 What is happening in General Strat? Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 What is happening in General Strat?See "Goals" threads.Slippery slopeI tried to warn ya! Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted August 23, 2006 Share Posted August 23, 2006 When they don't have more chips, when they are tight players that you can safely assume will foldWhen you know they don't have a hand/know they won't call... you should really only factor implied odds in when you know/think they have a strong hand that when you improve you will beat,know/think they will call if you do make your hand, they have chipsSorry, man. It was a joke in reference to the bonafide calling station. Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Take their cards and tear them up.Like this:http://www.fulltiltpoker.com/videos/commer...p;t=mov&s=L Link to post Share on other sites
The Nuts 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 WASSUP FCP'erscan i get your opinion on this...#1= hole cards are either AK, AQ, or AJsituation is....your hole cards are #1 VS. flop of Ah, 5c, 6c.how do you protect your big ace against the flush/straight draw? future thanks to all the replies, jcashx36xShove all in.Most players wouldn't know pot odds if it bit them in the face. At low-limit, they'll call off their cash on a draw. Link to post Share on other sites
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