pocket j's are killing me.

[PhishForChips 0]

Absolutely killing me. I always seem to get them with overcards on the flop or someone else with A/A. Worst hand ever.

[woutoR 0]

I mostly just treet mine pocket J's same as all pp (except AA and KK) just call the preflop and hope you will hit a set on the flop

[21gambit 0]

set or nothing but unders on the flop. Thats my strategy in NL. In limit if Im in early position Ill raise with them, if Im in middle Ill probably raise, in late ill just call.

[stojke7-2 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late? I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

[KDawgCometh 2]

I mostly just treet mine pocket J's same as all pp (except AA and KK) just call the preflop and hope you will hit a set on the flop

and that is a massive mistake that is costing you money

[KDawgCometh 2]

to the OP, how about posting some hands of yours when you get JJ so we can see where the probelms lie

[21gambit 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late?  I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

That post was a bit incorrect. I call in late if 2 or more people have limped, jacks are no moster and if you raise people will call to see the turn when the pot is laying them odds hoping to spike an A or K or who knows what. I raise in early to mid to thin the field because Jacks definitely dont do well against a large field

[pokernoobie 0]

is this limit or nl? either way i suggest raising with jacks in any position nl or limit

[21gambit 0]

I know many who refuse to raise aces in the blinds in limit after a +50% ofthe table has limped. Its just your preference this is limit...In NL i like to trap with them. I dont play for small pots in NL.

[Mandelbrot 0]

I always seem to get them with overcards on the flop or someone else with A/A.

And? With JJ in pocket, you will get an overcard (A, K, or Q) on the flop 57% of the time.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late?  I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

The reason you call with them in late position is that your raise isn't going to knock anyone out of the hand, everyone is going to call a raise, and you are in no better shape with your jacks than if you just called. Against multiple people you're likely going to need to hit a set or having all low cards on the flop....I raise with them in early position to drive people out and play someone heads up or to limit the field, you aren't going to do that by raising from late position with multiple limpers.

[21gambit 0]

I thought this was commonly understood so I didnt go to any great effort to explain it.

[Eclipse17 0]

yeah...pocket J sucksI dont' think i ever won or recently won with pocket J.....everytime it seems that some one would beat me with pair A

[mays24 0]

As in DO YOU PUT IN ANY MORE BETS after an ace falls?One more, then pass on the expensive street (limit)?Or do you fold alll the time to the overcard?

[Eclipse17 0]

As in DO YOU PUT IN ANY MORE BETS after an ace falls?One more, then pass on the expensive street (limit)?Or do you fold alll the time to the overcard?

depends on how many players are still in...if there is 3 or more..then i fold or else i go till the river

[quadaces 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late? I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

In early position you can try to eliminate other player, but in late position you can't knock anyone off their hand in limit poker it's just 1 more bet. Just calling in late position also helps to disguise your hand if you do hit a set.Pocket Jacks are vastly overrated by many nubies.

[Magnet123 0]

Pocket jacks are a very strong starting hand... But how you play pocket jacks in late position depends on a few important factors... Are the limpers who have called before you, tight or loose players? How many people are in the pot? Will you have position on your opponents on the flop?If you want to have some general rules on how to play them, then when I am on the button or the CO (cutoff), I will raise and/or reraise jacks everytime, because I will have position on my opponents (I will get to act after them), for the rest of the hand postflop.If there are a lot of limpers in the pot (a 5+ way flop or more), then I raise them for set value.If I am in the blinds, whether or not I reraise them depends on who else is in the pot with me, and who may have raised before me. Also if the pot has been 3-bet by tight players, before it reaches my action, (unless the 3-bet was made by a loose aggressive maniac), I would fold my pocket jacks.As in DO YOU PUT IN ANY MORE BETS after an ace falls? Depends. Who has entered the pot? Are they loose or tight? Did anyone raise/reraise the pot preflop? Has anyone bet out on the flop? Why would they bet out on the flop? What could they be holding? One more, then pass on the expensive street (limit)? Depends. Or do you fold alll the time to the overcard?No. You need to look at the board, compare it to what your opponents may be holding and then analyze the strength of your hand. Getting scared everytime an overcard falls, is a surefire way to playing too passive postflop. And profitable poker is about tight AGGRESSIVE play..

[wrto4556 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late? I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

The reason you call with them in late position is that your raise isn't going to knock anyone out of the hand, everyone is going to call a raise, and you are in no better shape with your jacks than if you just called. Against multiple people you're likely going to need to hit a set or having all low cards on the flop....I raise with them in early position to drive people out and play someone heads up or to limit the field, you aren't going to do that by raising from late position with multiple limpers.

But your jacks are going to win enough to make raising for value. You have an equity edge.Raise JJ from any positoin with any amount of limpers.

[Vertigo 0]

I've gotten screwed with pocket J's many times, but recently, I had an experience that still rings clear in my mind:Decent sized live tourney...I won't bore you with step by step of how the hand played out...needless to say, I turned a set, two of us go all in, big stack calls. Big stack had pocket K's, short had Q's, and I had my set of J's! River paired the board and I was off to the races with a huge chiplead.

[jack24bauer24 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late?  I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

The reason you call with them in late position is that your raise isn't going to knock anyone out of the hand, everyone is going to call a raise, and you are in no better shape with your jacks than if you just called. Against multiple people you're likely going to need to hit a set or having all low cards on the flop....I raise with them in early position to drive people out and play someone heads up or to limit the field, you aren't going to do that by raising from late position with multiple limpers.

But your jacks are going to win enough to make raising for value. You have an equity edge.Raise JJ from any positoin with any amount of limpers.

This only applies to .05-.10 limit FCP poker when morons such as myself and Norman are raising and capping with 27 suited

[PhishForChips 0]

Update: I no longer hate Pocket J's. Thank you.

[benhoug 0]

You just have to play pocket Js like this dick-head did against me yesterday. I had AK flop came down KQ6. I bet the pot he called (w/ 2 overcards on board). Turn was an A I moved in and again he called. You guessed what the river card brought - the dreaded 10. In all seriousness, pocket Js are an easy hand to play - you just have to know to dump them when overcards hit on the flop.

[Nikki_N 17]

I like JJ. I just played this hand. I would've raised, but instead just called the two all-ins.Nikki--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Hand #4939233-4521 at Depoe Bay (No Limit Hold'em)Powered by UltimateBetStarted at 21/Mar/05 17:11:04 trussmonkey is at seat 1 with $1. craigman is at seat 2 with $.35. mikelutt is at seat 3 with $.97. 7maxpower is at seat 4 with $.57. Paddy Cass is at seat 5 with $.29. urbancamo21 is at seat 6 with $.59. Nikki N is at seat 7 with $2.52. kainlocke is at seat 8 with $2.96. hiaces is at seat 9 with $.90. The button is at seat 0. trussmonkey posts the small blind of $.01. craigman posts the big blind of $.02. urbancamo21 posts out of turn for $.02. trussmonkey: -- -- craigman: -- -- mikelutt: -- -- 7maxpower: -- -- Paddy Cass: -- -- urbancamo21: -- -- Nikki N: Jd Jc kainlocke: -- -- hiaces: -- --Pre-flop: mikelutt folds. 7maxpower folds. Paddy Cass goes all-in for $.29. urbancamo21 goes all-in for $.59. Nikki N calls. kainlocke folds. hiaces folds. trussmonkey folds. craigman folds. Flop (board: Qd 9c 2s): (no action in this round) Turn (board: Qd 9c 2s 3d): (no action in this round) River (board: Qd 9c 2s 3d 7h): (no action in this round) Showdown: urbancamo21 shows 2d 6c. urbancamo21 has 2d Qd 9c 2s 7h: a pair of deuces. Nikki N shows Jd Jc. Nikki N has Jd Jc Qd 9c 7h: a pair of jacks. Paddy Cass shows Ac 6s. Paddy Cass has Ac 6s Qd 9c 7h: ace high. Hand #4939233-4521 Summary: No rake is taken for this hand. Nikki N wins the main pot $.90 with a pair of jacks. Nikki N wins the side pot $.60 with a pair of jacks.----------------------------------------------------------------

[Royal_Tour 0]

Raise jacks in pretty much any position pre-flop., But i wouldnt re-raise a previous bet., Id call..Hope for a good flop., thats about it.,

[DeNuts1 0]

Why would your raise them in early postion but just call in late?  I thought you were supposed to be more agressive in late postion

The reason you call with them in late position is that your raise isn't going to knock anyone out of the hand, everyone is going to call a raise, and you are in no better shape with your jacks than if you just called. Against multiple people you're likely going to need to hit a set or having all low cards on the flop....I raise with them in early position to drive people out and play someone heads up or to limit the field, you aren't going to do that by raising from late position with multiple limpers.

But your jacks are going to win enough to make raising for value. You have an equity edge.Raise JJ from any positoin with any amount of limpers.

Thank you wrto....I was about to jab a pencil into my left eye reading this.