Scotia_Guy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Just got this email from the Red Hot Poker Tour:"IMPORTANT INFO REGARDING POINTS Starting September 1 , if you reach the final table, you need to present the dealer with a receipt from the bar showing you bought something, anything, between the start of registration and the first two hours of the tournament, in order to receive points. Those who are not able to provide a personal receipt showing they supported the venue, will not be awarded points – no exceptions. We've made this minor adjustment because we firmly believe, as we are sure you do, that players who contribute to making the Tour possible are more deserving of a seat in the tournament, final table points, and the opportunity to be Daniel's Protégé. This change will not affect 99% of the players, just the "water boys and freeloaders" who are disrespecting the bar, taking up space in tournaments, and ultimately jeopardizing your opportunity to play. NASCAR is a huge success because the fans all know that if they don't support the sponsors, something they love will go away. If you love playing poker at our venues, and know how great the opportunities are because of Daniel's involvement, then get committed to doing your part. Venues host Red Hot Poker Tour events because they want your business, but if you are not supporting the bar, the bar is not interested in providing you with an opportunity to play poker. Daniel Negreanu sees potential in Red Hot Poker Tour Members, but if you're an online player, and don't play on his site, why would he continue providing Red Hot Members with great opportunities? Please show venues and Daniel know how much you appreciate all they do for the Members of the Red Hot Poker Tour. Red Hot Poker Tour"Doesn't seem like a "Free" poker event anymore now that you HAVE to buy something from the Bar to get tickets.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Ya, Here is my exact thought!You should have assumed this would be happening, since the whole idea behind it was to bring in more crowds to spend money on food and beer. Link to post Share on other sites
Scotia_Guy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 Doesn't this boarder now on illigal? I guess there is still no cash prize or entery fee but they are still forcing you to by something in order to win the prize at the end of the year... Link to post Share on other sites
bbgun 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Ya, Here is my exact thought!You should have assumed this would be happening, since the whole idea behind it was to bring in more crowds to spend money on food and beer.Just buy a freakin' Coke and get over it...I play in a Bar League in FL that awards a $5000 tournament seat quarterly. We are not required to buy anything, but I always do out of respect for the bar. Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Just buy a freakin' Coke and get over it...I play in a Bar League in FL that awards a $5000 tournament seat quarterly. We are not required to buy anything, but I always do out of respect for the bar.same, I usually buy 2 or 3 pitchers of beer every week at my 'free' bar league game.I understand your original point is simply principle and not the fact you can simply buy a $2 coke and move on. I get that, but there is also the reverse side of the coin that why not support them so they can continue to do such great promotions. Link to post Share on other sites
rivergirl 2 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Isn't that a way of calling it a "buy in". To be perfectly honest....i don't think that can legally be done.....at least not in my city. We had bars hosting tourneys completely free (with cash prizes and maybe that's the difference) but they were shut down because them promoting bar sales as a way to get the $$ back was considered making money off the event (just like getting a rake) i would always buy something in support but forcing people to do so and then calling it a "free" tourney is completely hypocritical cause now the buy in is at least the $2.50 for a pop. I would like to see the bar owners make money off of it but if you tell people they HAVE to buy something they could be shut down on a legal technicalityJust a thought Link to post Share on other sites
Royal_Tour 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Doesn't this boarder now on illigal? I guess there is still no cash prize or entery fee but they are still forcing you to by something in order to win the prize at the end of the year...Its kind of a grey area now.No purchase necessary is the legal way for companies to promote contests that have to do with luck, like scratch and wins etc...but, at the same time.. they are asking for you to have purchased something during the time of the event to be awarded points, which is similar to a 1 drink minimum at a bar/restaurant, only difference is you are playing cards while sitting down.They could technically kick you out half way through for loitering i guess? i dunno Link to post Share on other sites
rivergirl 2 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 i think its a little different where i live (windsor) because these events directly compete with our casino and pokerroom, especially now that the non smoking law is killing our casino business. I just joined the RHPT so i haven't attended an event yet, but like i said i know that other establishments here have tried similar things only to be shut down. Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Just get freakin' wasted off your asss and get over it...fyp Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 You don't have to buy something to actually play.If you want your points, suck it up and support the freakin bar who is hosting this.Anyone who is actually whining about this is pretty pathetic. Do you seriously go and play and never buy a thing? Don't you get thirsty?I think this is a good rule. Link to post Share on other sites
Scotia_Guy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 I always purchase at least one beer as well but I just don't like the fact that they are forcing you to do so. I usually buy dinner as well. Personally I won't be going to any more of these so the venues have lost my business. To be honest, I was a little upset that they gave you more chips for each drink you bought. You could always tell how drunk people were by how many drink chips they had... Link to post Share on other sites
chrozzo 19 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 To be honest, I was a little upset that they gave you more chips for each drink you bought. You could always tell how drunk people were by how many drink chips they had...alcoholism is +EV Link to post Share on other sites
BearCanada 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Hey,I gaurentee Red Hot did not want to have to go so far as to issue a statement like this but some bars have withdrawn or have considered withdrawing from the tour because it just wasn't bringing in enough business. Let Red Hot worry about the legalities and read between the lines, if there is not more support of the bars and of FCP Red Hot will struggle to remain viable in it's current form. I would hate for anything to happen to Red Hot. Before Red Hot I was not a poker player, some may argue I'm still not. However, Red Hot brought me to FCP, educated me on poker, and made me a fan of DN. I hope DN and FCP will continue to support Red Hot and that the Red Hot players will continue to support FCP and the bars that host the events. I have never played an event without at least buying a bear and quite often I have dinner and quite a few libations when I don't have to drive. Red Hot is good for poker. Thanks to all the Employee's, Bars and especially to DN and FCP for all the hard work and support. Long live the Red Hot Poker Tour!-Bear. Link to post Share on other sites
Scotia_Guy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 Hey,I gaurentee Red Hot did not want to have to go so far as to issue a statement like this but some bars have withdrawn or have considered withdrawing from the tour because it just wasn't bringing in enough business. Let Red Hot worry about the legalities and read between the lines, if there is not more support of the bars and of FCP Red Hot will struggle to remain viable in it's current form. I would hate for anything to happen to Red Hot. Before Red Hot I was not a poker player, some may argue I'm still not. However, Red Hot brought me to FCP, educated me on poker, and made me a fan of DN. I hope DN and FCP will continue to support Red Hot and that the Red Hot players will continue to support FCP and the bars that host the events. I have never played an event without at least buying a bear and quite often I have dinner and quite a few libations when I don't have to drive. Red Hot is good for poker. Thanks to all the Employee's, Bars and especially to DN and FCP for all the hard work and support. Long live the Red Hot Poker Tour!-Bear.I agree that Red Hot has been great for Poker especially in Canada but I really don't think there are enough people not supporting the venues for his to be an issue. To have an extra 50 to 80 people in an empty bar on a Wednesday night has got to be good for these guys... Link to post Share on other sites
BearCanada 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I agree that Red Hot has been great for Poker especially in Canada but I really don't think there are enough people not supporting the venues for his to be an issue. To have an extra 50 to 80 people in an empty bar on a Wednesday night has got to be good for these guys...Look at the Bars that are no longer running events, the proof is in the pudding. There are a lot of players who go and bug the waitstaff for water. I've seen it.-Bear Link to post Share on other sites
JPajamas 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Too bad for the tight-wad, freeloadin', "no, I'm okay thanks nothin' for me" cheapskates that have to spend a few bucks now. Link to post Share on other sites
ban sunglasses 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 Too bad for the tight-wad, freeloadin', "no, I'm okay thanks nothin' for me" cheapskates that have to spend a few bucks now.I think Bear has it right- they obviously wanted to leave it up to common sense but i guess that's not happening.Think about it- would you ever go into a bar in any other occasion and just sit there? You'd be loitering.....Whining over a pop misrepresents and makes everyone at Red Hot look bad and cheap which isn't true.btw- i finally created a posting account, is there a Red Hot or Red Club forum anywhere on this? Link to post Share on other sites
drewm 0 Posted August 24, 2006 Share Posted August 24, 2006 This is really funny. I would be more than happy to send a 2$ cheque if you need it. Um a little ungrateful me thinks Link to post Share on other sites
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