ibuddy 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Alright Im playing a tournament and here are the payouts:1st- 20252nd - 11303rd - 6484th 4585 240It was something close to that. Alright you are down to 6 players and you ovbiously dont want to be bubble. 1st position moves all in for 8000 blinds are 3000-6000. You look down you have KQ you call. Button calls, and the small blind calls. Now the odds that the small stack that went all in will win are very slim, the whole table is trying to knock him out. Before the flop comes I comment to the table "I hope you other guys know what to do. (referring to check it down all the way to bust him out and make bubbleboy)." One guy nodded and the other guy says "I been playing poker for too long to know what to do kid" So flop comes out QJ10 small blind goes, "Im sorry guys but I got to bet" Im sitting there going are you stupid? I then mention to him "if you bet im all in" so he thinks and goes "well ok then goes all in." Right now I love my hand but here is the catch, if I CALL and lose I get busted out! Which means I prolly wont make the money! AHHH! So Im thinking about it and im like going thru the hands, im saying that there is no way he would do that with 2 pair, he doesnt have AK so he has to have 98. I end up mucking, can you believe that? Button mucks, and he shows his hand 98 and the all in shows K2. The turn comes a K and river comes K. So I would of ended up having a full house knocking out 1 and really hurting the other one to where he would be pretty much done for to 2000 or so. So here is my question, do you feel I made the correct lay down? I think the guy who pushed all in was a IDIOT!. Say I muck and the turn comes ACE and the guy with K2 wins and then we dont knock him out so we are guarenteed money. I kinda go back and forth saying it was a good laydown and it wasnt but it would be good to hear what you guys thought. Do you think the guy made the right move pushing all in to? Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 1) You can't say that before the flop comes2) As wiser men before me have said, don't post results. The turn and river are irrelevant3) He made a fine play by betting to protect his hand. He needs that pot and there is no point in letting the rest of you catch up. 4) Play to win. Regardless of the turn and river, you may want to at least consider calling depending on your stack, since you still cash even if you loseit all and the real money is at the top. Stack sizes (among other things) are key to if you should actually make that call.5) If the turn is an Ace the all in guy wins the whole main pot anyway, if you're still in he chops it. So he's still alive either way... Link to post Share on other sites
gadjet 11 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 So here is my question, do you feel I made the correct lay down? I think the guy who pushed all in was a IDIOT!. Say I muck and the turn comes ACE and the guy with K2 wins and then we dont knock him out so we are guarenteed money. I kinda go back and forth saying it was a good laydown and it wasnt but it would be good to hear what you guys thought. Do you think the guy made the right move pushing all in to?Say the guy doesn't push and the turn comes A he still doesn't get eliminated cause you chop... but you're just happier... can't stand that talk about "I hope you know what to do nudge nudge wink wink" you check it through if you want to, otherwise play it out... results oriented threads suck Link to post Share on other sites
bdc30 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Fold preflop.Use some paragraphs when you post.Give stack sizes.Don't post results.That should about cover it. Link to post Share on other sites
AcesUp46 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Alright Im playing a tournament and here are the payouts:1st- 20252nd - 11303rd - 6484th 4585 240It was something close to that. Alright you are down to 6 players and you ovbiously dont want to be bubble. 1st position moves all in for 8000 blinds are 3000-6000. You look down you have KQ you call. Button calls, and the small blind calls. Now the odds that the small stack that went all in will win are very slim, the whole table is trying to knock him out. Before the flop comes I comment to the table "I hope you other guys know what to do. (referring to check it down all the way to bust him out and make bubbleboy)." One guy nodded and the other guy says "I been playing poker for too long to know what to do kid" So flop comes out QJ10 small blind goes, "Im sorry guys but I got to bet" Im sitting there going are you stupid? I then mention to him "if you bet im all in" so he thinks and goes "well ok then goes all in." Right now I love my hand but here is the catch, if I CALL and lose I get busted out! Which means I prolly wont make the money! AHHH! So Im thinking about it and im like going thru the hands, im saying that there is no way he would do that with 2 pair, he doesnt have AK so he has to have 98. I end up mucking, can you believe that? Button mucks, and he shows his hand 98 and the all in shows K2. The turn comes a K and river comes K. So I would of ended up having a full house knocking out 1 and really hurting the other one to where he would be pretty much done for to 2000 or so. So here is my question, do you feel I made the correct lay down? I think the guy who pushed all in was a IDIOT!. Say I muck and the turn comes ACE and the guy with K2 wins and then we dont knock him out so we are guarenteed money. I kinda go back and forth saying it was a good laydown and it wasnt but it would be good to hear what you guys thought. Do you think the guy made the right move pushing all in to?1. Provide more information pls...How many chips do you have relative to the rest of the table.2. It's very very poor form to verbally suggest post-flop slowplay. It some instances, it might even get you penalized. Don't do it again.3. If you want serious advice about whether or not you it's a good laydown, don't post the outcome of the hand. Your decision should be based on the information available at the flop...the turn and river are irrelevant. Clearly you would not have posted this hand if the turn and river were all blanks and all you would have had was top pair, good kicker. Link to post Share on other sites
Jdr999 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Fold preflop.Use some paragraphs when you post.Give stack sizes.Don't post results.That should about cover it. Link to post Share on other sites
ibuddy 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 alright sorry guys, just really frustrated with that move he did. If he had AK I would totally agree with his move but I just thought being that close to the money, he would check it. I could of had K9.....stupid move I think. He ended up getting busted out 5th and he deserved it haha. Link to post Share on other sites
chgocubs99 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 alright sorry guys, just really frustrated with that move he did. If he had AK I would totally agree with his move but I just thought being that close to the money, he would check it. I could of had K9.....stupid move I think. He ended up getting busted out 5th and he deserved it haha.If you had the 8-9 and you checked, and the next card off was a 9, K, or A, then how would you feel about giving up a 40,000 pot to someone else when you could have taken it down right there? Link to post Share on other sites
fatman 1 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I maybe would have hit you if I was the small stack. You can't say that **** while in a hand. What were you thinking? Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Collusion only works on T.V. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Why was the $240 prize your goal, you should be playing for the $2000.When you have a dry pot you are not 'supposed' to check down your good hands to let someone else draw out on you, you are suppose to play poker.We had a nice discussion on this when Ted Forrest bluffed at a draw pot, and the turn card would have made the other player that folded to his flop bet a set.Half the people whined about 'playing right' and the smart half pointed out that playing for first is your goal, if it's not then you should have folded every hand until you made the money, then gone all in every hand after that.What you said was WAY out of line. You need to quit poker or join the Tony G / Phil Helmuth / Mike Matasow school of poker etiquette as an instructor. Link to post Share on other sites
mcpickl 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 my advice would be:stop cheating Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Ya what is with FCPer's colluding like crazy lately. His play was correct, so was your laydown, quit cheating Link to post Share on other sites
tizzerd 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 i think he made the right move but saying i hope you guys know what to do is kinda fcked up. Link to post Share on other sites
_Great_Dane_ 0 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 2. It's very very poor form to verbally suggest post-flop slowplay. It some instances, it might even get you penalized. Don't do it again.It's called "collusion" or cheating.It would get you penalized if the dealer and/or floorperson or online support know the rules. Don't do it again. Link to post Share on other sites
randy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 if the guy who went all in over the top takes the hand and the two of you both get busted wouldnt you still get paid?Unless you had less then the other guys 8k at the start of the hand, which does not work.I am tired but am i reading it wrong? Link to post Share on other sites
ibuddy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 wow now im a cheater? I thought it was common sense to check it down. How is that cheating the guy who went all in with K2 knows what were doing and didnt have a problem with it. He said he would have done the samething, he wasnt mad one bit. I think your accusations of me being a cheater are going too far. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 alright sorry guys, just really frustrated with that move he did. If he had AK I would totally agree with his move but I just thought being that close to the money, he would check it. I could of had K9.....stupid move I think. He ended up getting busted out 5th and he deserved it haha.he deserved 5th for betting the *** end of a str8.you deserve to get your *** kicked for telling everyone to slow-play postflop Link to post Share on other sites
ibuddy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 if the guy who went all in over the top takes the hand and the two of you both get busted wouldnt you still get paid?Unless you had less then the other guys 8k at the start of the hand, which does not work.I am tired but am i reading it wrong?The guy who went all in on the flop had me out chipped or it was really close, basically if I made that call and lost, I would be crippled and the big blind would be next hand putting me all in. Link to post Share on other sites
randy 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 wow now im a cheater? I thought it was common sense to check it down. How is that cheating the guy who went all in with K2 knows what were doing and didnt have a problem with it. He said he would have done the samething, he wasnt mad one bit. I think your accusations of me being a cheater are going too far.its called collusion, and you still would have got 5th because u had more chips at the start of the hand. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 wow now im a cheater? I thought it was common sense to check it down . How is that cheating the guy who went all in with K2 knows what were doing and didnt have a problem with it. He said he would have done the samething, he wasnt mad one bit. I think your accusations of me being a cheater are going too far.it is. But youre not allowed to tell everyone Link to post Share on other sites
yergan 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 wow now im a cheater? I thought it was common sense to check it down. How is that cheating the guy who went all in with K2 knows what were doing and didnt have a problem with it. He said he would have done the samething, he wasnt mad one bit. I think your accusations of me being a cheater are going too far.Its not cheating to do it, its cheating to verbally alert people to do it.Also, the check it down usually only applied until someone has a made hand, which the opponent had in this case. Link to post Share on other sites
Kei 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 wow now im a cheater? I thought it was common sense to check it down. How is that cheating the guy who went all in with K2 knows what were doing and didnt have a problem with it. He said he would have done the samething, he wasnt mad one bit. I think your accusations of me being a cheater are going too far.The problem is you verbalized it. You can't team up to knock another player out, it's an unfair advantage. It usually happens, but you still can't verbalize it like that. Link to post Share on other sites
karr2242 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 you still would have got 5th because u had more chips at the start of the hand.Smartest thing said in this thread.....and yeah, you telling everyone that is pretty bogus. Deal with it. Link to post Share on other sites
theone 0 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Common Sense doesnt need to be verbally reminded..... that makes it obvious collusion. Imagine if you were on the other end of it.... Link to post Share on other sites
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