$1-5 Stud

[alexruimy 0]

Last night I left Turning Stone $250 poorer after two nightmarish 12 hour sessions with the never-folding old folks at the $1-5 stud tables. I believe that objectively, I played really well. I played tight aggressive, as I normally do, but never was able to make anything of it. The zenith of both my sessions was my buy in, and the nadir was the felt. It was cooler after cooler. I would end up having to fold straights or trips, and when I did, it was correct to (everyone loves showing their cards there). When I made a hand worthy of betting/calling to the river, it was sucked out on. Typically this was an underfull situation. I'm 99% sure I'm playing my hands correctly and certainly I'm open to the idea that I'm not doing something correctly. The question is, is $1-5 the same donk fest that $1/3 and $2/4 HE is, and I just had a bad run of cards? I'm inclined to think that it's not, just a bad run of cards, and that I'm doing something wrong, because after 24 hours of play, I should've evened out somewhere. If it sounds like I'm applying a less than optimal strategy to this game, could someone tell me what is the optimal strategy? I can provide more details on my play, if necessary.

[Teavis 0]

What is it with old people and stud?

[eYank 0]

ha a group of my friends (19 yrs old) went to turning stone since u only need to be 18 and they played the 1-3 spread limit hold em. And they came home pretty pissed since they lost around $2-5 hundres bucks each bc they said everyone calls any draw and when they hit they win so much

[doublemeup 0]

What is it with old people and stud?

They grew up with it.

[quadaces 0]

DONKFEST! ENOUGH SAID!

[Teavis 0]

ha a group of my friends (19 yrs old) went to turning stone since u only need to be 18 and they played the 1-3 spread limit hold em. And they came home pretty pissed since they lost around $2-5 hundres bucks each bc they said everyone calls any draw and when they hit they win so much

Probably because they are getting amazing odds to draw out. Your friends should stick to All in Poker, just like on TV!

[alexruimy 0]

ha a group of my friends (19 yrs old) went to turning stone since u only need to be 18 and they played the 1-3 spread limit hold em. And they came home pretty pissed since they lost around $2-5 hundres bucks each bc they said everyone calls any draw and when they hit they win so much

(It's 2-4 structured now). They're absolutely right, but it's not just any draw...it's any pair, any ace, any two cards. Absolutely nuts and a terrible waste of money. The worst is when one of my friends does end up winning, he'll say it's because he was the best player and he played well. You need to play terribly to win. Or catch cards.

[blacktie31 0]

stud just carries with it a high variance like that.24 hours of play just isn't enough to say if you are playing well or not.The way the game reads you should be able to beat it without much problem as you should be able to see the draws they are trying to hit and save bets when they hit and make extra bets when they don't.Everybody complains about not being able to beat the donkfests and the truth is they just don't understand what is going on and make the proper adjustments. Try to step back from the game and see the overall flow of what the other people are thinking and play against that.At that level its like getting to be the house in the pit games, they may win in the short run, but if you just grind it out making +ev plays you will get the money in the long run.Also make sure you are just playing straight up, i find often when the table goes dyson on me i'm still trying moves that worked against people who had a clue and losing money bc of it.

[eYank 0]

(It's 2-4 structured now). They're absolutely right, but it's not just any draw...it's any pair, any ace, any two cards. Absolutely nuts and a terrible waste of money. The worst is when one of my friends does end up winning, he'll say it's because he was the best player and he played well. You need to play terribly to win. Or catch cards.

yeah he said he was rivered so many times and they see the flop with any hand

[navybuttons 15]

stud can be a high variance game. if you have trouble dealing with it try O8. stud 8 has a little less variance as well.i play 3/6 stud 8 sometimes and with an A showing i got a guy to cap (K showing). my other 2 were a suited duece and trey (same suit as A), his were an unsuited A and Q. of course i got scooped that hand but typically i can crush the game pretty bad.

[7s7c 0]

I've played it a few times at the A/C Hilton with the old folks...I found them to be tight but trappable in my sessions...mostly I play for 3-4 hours and break even but have fun chatting with them while they order fish sandwiches and black coffee. Lots of Naval Academy hats as well.

[TeeSludge 0]

1-5 stud is so incredibly boring.However, if you play with the old folks and bet 5 on every street it gets fun because they get pissed off. Just be a really obnoxious internet punk and buy in for like 500 bucks in one dollar chips.

[eYank 0]

1-5 stud is so incredibly boring.However, if you play with the old folks and bet 5 on every street it gets fun because they get pissed off. Just be a really obnoxious internet punk and buy in for like 500 bucks in one dollar chips.

lol

[Vegas King 0]

lol

Stud is a TRUE poker game unlike No Limit Holdem which is just an all-in luck fest in many instances. Playing 1-5 is insane though. What is the point? Not enough money to make people fold. If you are a good stud player you should be playing nothing less than 20-40 or 30-60. You put 8,000 people in a stud game, and the final table will be filled with pros, you do that with No Limit Holdem and you get mostly unknowns who got lucky in their all-in fest.Stud with hopefully make a comeback with the HORSE event being televised. These young guns from the internet who only play No Limit are not TRUE poker players. If you can't play 10-12 games and be at least proficient in all, I do not even consider you a player. It is sad all the tournament money is tied up in a luck fest. Yes I understand some skill is needed (Take Hellmuth for instance), but too many people are winning millions that would wet their pants in a high limit cash game and would have no chance in a mixed game setting. Does that make them great professionals? I think not.Who would you rather have if the following 2 teams were playing in a 12 game setting including variations of stud, omaha, holdem and draw poker?Chip Reese/Phil Ivey/Daniel/Doyle Brunsonv.s.Gavin Smith/Michael Mizrachi/Phil Hellmuth/Mike MatusowThe answer is obvious. Team #1 would crush team #2

[navybuttons 15]

Stud is a TRUE poker game unlike No Limit Holdem which is just an all-in luck fest in many instances. Playing 1-5 is insane though. What is the point? Not enough money to make people fold. If you are a good stud player you should be playing nothing less than 20-40 or 30-60. You put 8,000 people in a stud game, and the final table will be filled with pros, you do that with No Limit Holdem and you get mostly unknowns who got lucky in their all-in fest.Stud with hopefully make a comeback with the HORSE event being televised. These young guns from the internet who only play No Limit are not TRUE poker players. If you can't play 10-12 games and be at least proficient in all, I do not even consider you a player. It is sad all the tournament money is tied up in a luck fest. Yes I understand some skill is needed (Take Hellmuth for instance), but too many people are winning millions that would wet their pants in a high limit cash game and would have no chance in a mixed game setting. Does that make them great professionals? I think not.Who would you rather have if the following 2 teams were playing in a 12 game setting including variations of stud, omaha, holdem and draw poker?Chip Reese/Phil Ivey/Daniel/Doyle Brunsonv.s.Gavin Smith/Michael Mizrachi/Phil Hellmuth/Mike MatusowThe answer is obvious. Team #1 would crush team #2

"NL A-5 and is a true poker game" - old guy at my casino

[Stylin_Fish 0]

Folding when you're behind is for chumps.

[TS Clark 0]

Last night I left Turning Stone $250 poorer after two nightmarish 12 hour sessions with the never-folding old folks at the $1-5 stud tables. I believe that objectively, I played really well. I played tight aggressive, as I normally do, but never was able to make anything of it. The zenith of both my sessions was my buy in, and the nadir was the felt. It was cooler after cooler. I would end up having to fold straights or trips, and when I did, it was correct to (everyone loves showing their cards there). When I made a hand worthy of betting/calling to the river, it was sucked out on. Typically this was an underfull situation. I'm 99% sure I'm playing my hands correctly and certainly I'm open to the idea that I'm not doing something correctly. The question is, is $1-5 the same donk fest that $1/3 and $2/4 HE is, and I just had a bad run of cards? I'm inclined to think that it's not, just a bad run of cards, and that I'm doing something wrong, because after 24 hours of play, I should've evened out somewhere. If it sounds like I'm applying a less than optimal strategy to this game, could someone tell me what is the optimal strategy? I can provide more details on my play, if necessary.

$1-$5 stud is generally a horror, unless you have some live ones in the game. Normally, though, you'll be 20+ years younger than anyone else at the table and the play is generally rock-like. Plus, at this level, the rake is just murder compared to the stakes and average pot size.I wouldn't advise playing stud at this level again (unless you're just doing it for pure fun -- in which case, play like a maniac and drive the old people crazy). But, if you do, just play tight and then be very aggressive when you do make a hand. And prepare yourself for some extra variance -- that extra street makes more difference than you think it would.

[GetSprung 0]

You know how to solve this problem right? They just started playing the 2-10 split Stud Hi/Lo game which is AMAZING. I watched all the old folks playing and half of them were playing stud I swear to you. The pot would be split and they'd be confused as to why. I tend to stick to the Omaha Hi/Lo 4/8 game at Turning Stone because I literally know the entire table and how they play. Probably that way because I have been playing with the same people for about a year. It's really easy money and if you play with a shred of intelligence you'll crack the game. I'm the only one under 50 who plays that game, and i'm 20....so yeah. I could use some youth.