Daniel Not Making Much Sense With Bankroll

[milestodavid 0]

I heard Daniel bet three million a hole against Tiger Woods and went completely broke. My source being the OP.

[Lavitz 0]

Now this one I doubt. No one who bets six figure sums on a game (golf) that he's not even good at is what you'd call a highly disciplined financial manager. Let's face it -- all these top guys are pretty much degenerate gamblers. They're just good enough at poker to support their "condition."I don't think any of the top pros are that great at bankroll management (or at least very few). But the smarter, more successful ones (like Daniel, for instance) at least know when to say when and don't totally lose their minds. Daniel seems to be a smart guy and I think he's saying "when" for a bit. Or, like I said before, he's just a bit of sick of poker for the moment and doesn't feel like he's in the mental state to grind right now when he's a million loser from a single session. I've taken breaks after losing a few hundred dollars in a game in the past. I can't imagine what losing a million does to someone's desire to play.

Exactly. Countless pros have at one point or another lost their entire bankroll by playing out of their limits, many have more then once. Their playing skill is great, not their bankroll management.

[solo319 0]

Most top pros dont have to worry about bankroll management, because they no they can always borrow. Oh and I wouldnt worry to much about Daniel I have a feeling he makes more outside of poker now than playing

[aadams_22 3]

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[hank213 1,823]

Nobody. I mean NOBODY is immune to downswings that force you to re-evaluate and change your game.

[Gargoyle 0]

OP has, obviously, not been paying attention. The golf bets are the same as a sports book except that the lines are determined by those who are playing instead of a bookmaker. Golfers will negotiate for a certain number of strokes per hole to level the advantage. Daniel plays a TPC course which is much more difficult than your local muni and has said his scores hover around the 100 to 105 range. He is definately no threat to Tiger Woods, but when you get 3 strokes a hole it's a different story.As for his BR taking a hit, you'll remember on National TV Ted Forrest told how Andy Beal took him for something like 7 mill. in one session. His confidence was shaken. I'm not saying this is happening to DN but seriously, mentioning Gold in the same sentence as DN, or any other top pro, should carry the death penalty.

[SpiderGuard 0]

Nobody. I mean NOBODY is immune to downswings that force you to re-evaluate and change your game.

Especially in "the big game." Daniel probably has to figure out if he got outplayed or not, and if he was outplayed he needs to figure out how to improve his game.

[TheSkearnel 0]

It strikes me that the OP cant do basic math. The big game is consistently played as a 4000/8000 game. So..............8000 big bet x 300 bb = 2,400,000.........or 2.4 Million for the OP who can't count.Now, what's 2,400,000 - 1,000,000. Wait, let me answer that:A significant part of a playing bankroll. (That's nearly half, again, that comment was made for the convenience of the OP, who...........can't count.)-Shawn K

[No_Neck 0]

**** happens and we move on. I mean it isn't like DN is a fish just because he had a downswing, against those players too I imagine they punish you for 2nd best hands.it is 125 bet downswing so what?

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

It strikes me that the OP cant do basic math. The big game is consistently played as a 4000/8000 game. So..............8000 big bet x 300 bb = 2,400,000.........or 2.4 Million for the OP who can't count.Now, what's 2,400,000 - 1,000,000. Wait, let me answer that:A significant part of a playing bankroll. (That's nearly half, again, that comment was made for the convenience of the OP, who...........can't count.)-Shawn K

High stakes short handed, against that level of skill, would require a larger BR. Probably 500 BB's--at least, especially when you consider that they do play PL and NL games.

[mike76s 0]

High stakes short handed, against that level of skill, would require a larger BR. Probably 500 BB's--at least, especially when you consider that they do play PL and NL games.

mutha f*cking DOT!

[Kantian 0]

Especially in "the big game." Daniel probably has to figure out if he got outplayed or not, and if he was outplayed he needs to figure out how to improve his game.

+1any time you lose that big of an amount in a 'downswing' (relative to buyins) you're going to wonder if something is wrong. Daniel isn't stupid. If he can break even at the big game, or win at the 300/600, I think he's going to go where he's winning. Losing a significant portion of his playing bankroll might mean he lost.... 10%. Maybe that's more than he felt like dumping and figured he would stick to games he knows he can tear up.so in conclusion:1. such a stupid post by the OP2. its DN's damn business, not ours, but...3. he's rich, and loves to bet big on frivilous stuff, but seems to be in control of poker spending.oh man, this OP is such a retard jackass.

[SpiderGuard 0]

High stakes short handed, against that level of skill, would require a larger BR. Probably 500 BB's--at least, especially when you consider that they do play PL and NL games.

Or 300 BB's with a willingness to punch out quickly if you feel like you're not a winning player (or variance just kicks you in the nuts). The thing about being a "name" pro is that you can always use endorsements to rebuild the roll, or playing against lower levels of competition, or any number of things.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

Or 300 BB's with a willingness to punch out quickly if you feel like you're not a winning player (or variance just kicks you in the nuts). The thing about being a "name" pro is that you can always use endorsements to rebuild the roll, or playing against lower levels of competition, or any number of things.

No, really. 300 BB's is not enough.I'm not sure that 300 BB's isn't enough for short handed 30/60 LHE.

[doublemeup 0]

No, really. 300 BB's is not enough.I'm not sure that 300 BB's isn't enough for short handed 30/60 LHE.

DDM'S BACK????

[TheSkearnel 0]

High stakes short handed, against that level of skill, would require a larger BR. Probably 500 BB's--at least, especially when you consider that they do play PL and NL games.

Oh, no, I understand that. But, if I'm going to dumb down the argument so the OP gets it, I'm going to use 300 bb. -Shawn K

[SpiderGuard 0]

No, really. 300 BB's is not enough.I'm not sure that 300 BB's isn't enough for short handed 30/60 LHE.

No, really. My point was that if you're not trying to make a living at the level you don't need a full 500BB bankroll. I've never gotten the impression DN's trying to make a living as a cash game player in "the big game." If you told me DN was going to give up playing lower limits and just play the big game everyday for the rest of his life then I'd agree with you, but if you told me that DN is going to play "the big game" once a week in addition to playing online $300/600 limit poker and all of his other games then he doesn't need a full bankroll for the highest limit. Especially when he has other, profitable non-poker source of income.

[DrawingDeadInDM 0]

DDM'S BACK????

No, I'm leaving again, I thought I typed in 'www.MILFNextDoor.com' and I ended up here somehow. It's probably best I leave again before I get into a long, drawn out conversation about how at the 4k/8k level they don't use a working bankroll in the same way the average 3/6 LHE hero on this board, does. I'm also not going to explain that shorthanded poker requires a much larger bankroll. I'm also not going to explain that when you include PL and NL games--even with a cap--that it skews your BR requirements.

No, really. My point was that if you're not trying to make a living at the level you don't need a full 500BB bankroll. I've never gotten the impression DN's trying to make a living as a cash game player in "the big game."

I agree.

[Muck, You Suckers! 0]

Let me explain something to your little feeble brains. He had no business down there playing with the people he was playing with. He got set up the night before then knocked down. That is what these people do. DN may be your hero and you might like to think he is the smartest wealthiest guy on the block, but he got took. You go running your mouth around town and on the internet about how much you got, and sure nuff somebody is gonna look for a way to take it. He don't want any part of that "Big Game" because he knows what happened. They got him all hyped up then brought him back in and took him down. Two different casinos in two nights. Classic pigeon story. Sorry dudes and dudettes, but you just experienced a learning from a third party. Three top hustlers returned home splitting 1.5 mil and one pigeon was left home to think about what happened.

[doublemeup 0]

No, I'm leaving again, I thought I typed in 'www.MILFNextDoor.com' and I ended up here somehow. It's probably best I leave again before I get into a long, drawn out conversation about how at the 4k/8k level they don't use a working bankroll in the same way the average 3/6 LHE hero on this board, does. I'm also not going to explain that shorthanded poker requires a much larger bankroll. I'm also not going to explain that when you include PL and NL games--even with a cap--that it skews your BR requirements.I agree.

Oh sorry newbs are taking away from your "along time."

[champsox 0]

Let me explain something to your little feeble brains. He had no business down there playing with the people he was playing with. He got set up the night before then knocked down. That is what these people do. DN may be your hero and you might like to think he is the smartest wealthiest guy on the block, but he got took. You go running your mouth around town and on the internet about how much you got, and sure nuff somebody is gonna look for a way to take it. He don't want any part of that "Big Game" because he knows what happened. They got him all hyped up then brought him back in and took him down. Two different casinos in two nights. Classic pigeon story. Sorry dudes and dudettes, but you just experienced a learning from a third party. Three top hustlers returned home splitting 1.5 mil and one pigeon was left home to think about what happened.

[Grafter 0]

I feel really bad about winning this massive pot off Daniel now http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v508/gra...67/4d8e9aee.jpg

[KONGOS 0]

QUOTE(Muck, You Suckers! @ Saturday, August 19th, 2006, 2:15 PM) "Let me explain something to your little feeble brains. He had no business down there playing with the people he was playing with. He got set up the night before then knocked down. That is what these people do. DN may be your hero and you might like to think he is the smartest wealthiest guy on the block, but he got took. You go running your mouth around town and on the internet about how much you got, and sure nuff somebody is gonna look for a way to take it. He don't want any part of that "Big Game" because he knows what happened. They got him all hyped up then brought him back in and took him down. Two different casinos in two nights. Classic pigeon story. Sorry dudes and dudettes, but you just experienced a learning from a third party. Three top hustlers returned home splitting 1.5 mil and one pigeon was left home to think about what happened."Wow....these sharks must be really setting him up for something big then....since he's been a winner at that game for at least the past 2 years....Thats a long time to set someone up for a downfall.

[bhaas 0]

Set up? WTF??? And let me guess, Gus was the closer. Just waiting in the wings for the right moment to bust Daniel with quads. Please go fuck yourself. Idiot.

[Muck, You Suckers! 0]

Set up? WTF??? And let me guess, Gus was the closer. Just waiting in the wings for the right moment to bust Daniel with quads. Please go fuck yourself. Idiot.

It was sarcastic BS for the morons that won't let it go, and keep trying to find some meaning in DN having a bad night. Well, actually it was meant for someone just like you. LOL FISH ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!