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I Don't Trust Internet Poker -- Do You?


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I love to play hold'em on line. It's a blast. However, I do not play for real money. At this point, I don't trust the payouts and the randomness of the cards. I only play for real money in cash games or in-person tournaments. I'm sure I'm missing out but until the on-line internet sites are properly regulated (I get great comfort from the cameras and state gaming commissions) I'll keep my cash in my pocket until I see you at the tables. I know many will disagree. Your thoughts?Burgerman

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I love to play hold'em on line. It's a blast. However, I do not play for real money. At this point, I don't trust the payouts and the randomness of the cards. I only play for real money in cash games or in-person tournaments. I'm sure I'm missing out but until the on-line internet sites are properly regulated (I get great comfort from the cameras and state gaming commissions) I'll keep my cash in my pocket until I see you at the tables. I know many will disagree. Your thoughts?Burgerman
I agree wholeheartedly. We need more cameras in online poker rooms. I swear that dealer shorted me by like $.60 on that one pot. What a bastard.
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1. I put such a small percentage of my net worth online that I don't really care. I just play micro-limits for fun. As the old saying goes ... I don't play with more than I can afford to lose.2. I win more than I lose. So, I'm clearly not being hurt by anything shady that might be going on.3. I've always known that there would be individuals (or groups) that would try to cheat -- but I doubt it happens much at the lower levels. Anyway, if I start losing, I switch tables before I lose more than I can afford.4. I doubt the major sites are themselves, cheating their customers. Why would they? The economic incentive is to run an honest game that will attract millions of players -- and bring them billions of dollars in honest revenue. If they are caught cheating, their customers would leave AND governments would have more incentive (and ammunition) to shut them down.5. I always imagine that somewhere in the shadows there are men with crooked noses who would break the legs of anyone who cheated them -- thus providing an additional safeguard for the rest of us.llou

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Well whether it be an online cash game or a tourney, if the simulator could be at all modified (without detection) to reward the poorer preflop hands, then does it not make sense that the online site would make more money, as the poorer players playing garbage cards would win slightly more often and hence be encouraged to play a bit more?Of course, the website answers are that one simply plays more hands online in a given time period, so the perception may not actually match reality. Don't know, I guess the next piece of software for someone to build will be the "suckout tracker" :)Having said all of that, in tourneys at least, the cream does tend to rise to the top....

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ok, so i know ima newbie and im gonna get flamed no matter what i say, lol. Anyways, I searched and couldnt find any direct answers to this. So, whats the story with the "cameras" you guys are talkin about? Im not up to date on all the controversy about online poker, but can someone explain what this is about?

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ok, so i know ima newbie and im gonna get flamed no matter what i say, lol. Anyways, I searched and couldnt find any direct answers to this. So, whats the story with the "cameras" you guys are talkin about? Im not up to date on all the controversy about online poker, but can someone explain what this is about?
lol.. what a noooob
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The cameras to which I refer are in the casinos and are directed by their security departments and can be directly reviewed by the Nevada Gaming Commission. I prefer the games to have some scrutiny so that players have some assurance that they aren't "behind the eight ball from the start." My expereince thus far with on-line poker is a preponderance of big hands all at the same time and a rewarding of marginal play pre-flop that is not necessarily in line with the percentages. Now this is only my particular expereince, and I may be not playing enough to see the outcomes even out. However, most of poker sites are off-shore and have lots of stipulations about getting your payouts. Cash games in casinos have none of these problems. I play alot of on-line poker -- just not for real money. I do that in Las Vegas -- where I visit once a month.Burgerman

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I love to play hold'em on line. It's a blast. However, I do not play for real money. At this point, I don't trust the payouts and the randomness of the cards. I only play for real money in cash games or in-person tournaments. I'm sure I'm missing out but until the on-line internet sites are properly regulated (I get great comfort from the cameras and state gaming commissions) I'll keep my cash in my pocket until I see you at the tables. I know many will disagree. Your thoughts?Burgerman
yeah you nailed it right on the head. online poker is rigged.
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ya i would rather play live, but it comes to a point where u dont hit cards for a while in a live game it tends to get boring, in online u can do many tables at once to keep u into the game, how ever thats odds are where the online fails to live poker, if u used to playing 6 tables online and your at least playing 2 hands at a time, when u get to a live game it will get boring fast for the person... so thats the only downfall i see in online poker.

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It sure seems that the hands are dealth in a way that 'forces' people to play more pots. This in turn, increases rakes in a cash table and removes more people quicker in tournaments.I believe most sites have a maximum rake but getting to that maximum rake pretty much requires 3 or 4 hands in the pot. I had KQ on the button, VS AA and KK (Big Blind)AA doubles up the pot and we both call. Flop: AKQNow, who's going to fold there? No one.I should say though, many times on the television I see hands where I say to myself (and others who may be in the room at the time),'If that was on the internet, I would be screaming RIGGED!!!'in conclusion, the bottom line is this: Does anyone on the table get an unfair advantage?My buddy says YES. Chip leader rarley loses when heads up.We have hand histories now, someone should take those histories and put it through a program that detects setups and such and see if the results are as random as it should be.

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We have hand histories now, someone should take those histories and put it through a program that detects setups and such and see if the results are as random as it should be.
Someone reaaly should do something like that. It would make a great research project for a graduate student.Great first post. Welcome to FCP. :club:
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I trust the online poker rooms. I just don't like Neteller or Firepay, the best ways to make deposits into poker accounts. It seems like their security leaves a lot to be desired. I know a lot of people on here have had their bank accounts hacked into through neteller.

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if its rigged it's rigged, its still the only way for me in my state here to play!Im sure a network like FCP would be hard to manupulate bcause there are prob 10-30 poker sites that log into the network platform to play poker.a stand alone site like AP, Poker.com, PokerStars (aka River Stars) , FillTilt, Paradise Poker, ect then can rig and hell of it, they can have house players that bust you cold!But then agian, those sites are so huge, the $$money they generate on the rake alone!!!!!!!! No need to rig it.

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But then agian, those sites are so huge, the $$money they generate on the rake alone!!!!!!!! No need to rig it.
That's why Windows XP is a free program.That's why gas prices are so affordable.That's why a beer at my local strip club is $9.00etc...Why? Cause they have enough money. These types want to own the world, the more money they get, the more they need.
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I believe most sites have a maximum rake but getting to that maximum rake pretty much requires 3 or 4 hands in the pot.
No..not even close.
I had KQ on the button, VS AA and KK (Big Blind)AA doubles up the pot and we both call. Flop: AKQNow, who's going to fold there? No one.
Yeah, I never fold the 5th nuts.Stop calling big raises with KQ--that's a good start.---------------------------------------------Oh, and check this out. I was playing some 1/2 NL to pass the time the other day, I called a raise with 9h8h..Flop came 984..we got it all in and he had 99? WTF?!Casinos are so rigged.
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No..not even close.Yeah, I never fold the 5th nuts.Stop calling big raises with KQ--that's a good start.
Isn't he the 7th nuts? Lemme count and make sure I got it right...1)10J2)AA3)KK4)QQ5)AK6)AQ7)KQAm I missing anything?(btw this post was not meant to be a nitpicking mean guy post...just wanted to make sure I was counting it down right.)
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Isn't he the 7th nuts? Lemme count and make sure I got it right...1)10J2)AA3)KK4)QQ5)AK6)AQ7)KQAm I missing anything?(btw this post was not meant to be a nitpicking mean guy post...just wanted to make sure I was counting it down right.)
Don't ever, ever, correct me like that again....but, yes. I knew I was forgetting something, I only counted sets and the straight..I haven't slept.
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I still favor playing live rather than online even though I don't see as many hands in a live session than I do online, I feel that the amount of donks that play live is greater and its much easier to make money for me anyways.

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