Drawing In Tourney Vs. Cash Game

[darkrider88 0]

One thing I noticed in reading TJ's book and HOH is that TJ simply doesn't draw in a tourney unless he has enough outs to be a favorite (ie flush draw and 2 overs), where as Harrington makes his decisions more based on the odds being offered, even if it means putting in large money from behind. Question is this: Do you draw from behind in tourney like you would in a cash game because you are getting the right odds, or even if you are being layed a great price you pass up a draw. Since this isn't black and white, what factors do you look for when deciding. I'm relatively new to tourney poker so I'm trying to see how more experienced people play it. Thanks!

[Actuary 3]

type quick got to get to State Fair...early in big tourney with deep stacks and chip equity ~ cash-payout equity, playing like a cash game where you make chipEV decisions is cool. So you go with pot odds and call/push evenn when not fav if odds dictate.however as you get close to or in the money and payout structure starts to dictate the chip-values..hence not like a cash game, then I think protecting 10chips is more important than gaining 10 chips; but obviously given good enough odds, even as an underdog you can still call/push. that's for starteers... gota go!!!!!

[darkrider88 0]

type quick got to get to State Fair...early in big tourney with deep stacks and chip equity ~ cash-payout equity, playing like a cash game where you make chipEV decisions is cool. So you go with pot odds and call/push evenn when not fav if odds dictate.however as you get close to or in the money and payout structure starts to dictate the chip-values..hence not like a cash game, then I think protecting 10chips is more important than gaining 10 chips; but obviously given good enough odds, even as an underdog you can still call/push. that's for starteers... gota go!!!!!

Thnx actuary. What about when it is the middle of tourney, and although the blinds/antes are not huge, to draw in a big pot, even with the correct price, would cost you the tournament/strong chipstack if you missed.

[Actuary 3]

Thnx actuary. What about when it is the middle of tourney, and although the blinds/antes are not huge, to draw in a big pot, even with the correct price, would cost you the tournament/strong chipstack if you missed.

probably personal preference.Many say gambling before the money, or early in the money when it's still flat payout structure, is worth it in order to increase chances to get to Final Table, i.e. MoMoney.I don't play MTT's enough to say I support a particular style. Coming from most 6 & 10 Man STT's, though, I tend not to risk tourney on a call without great odds; but I will push (for fold equity) and early on make some gambles. But my cockiness keep me from caling maybe as much as the pot odds say, especially when I'm not sure where I am in the hand even if I hit, because I think I can play better thasn most. In MTT"s though, you have so many to get thru, I imagine gambling for a bigger stack early/middle is a good idea to help navigate thru the waters later. - and to steal blinds with later

[darkrider88 0]

probably personal preference.Many say gambling before the money, or early in the money when it's still flat payout structure, is worth it in order to increase chances to get to Final Table, i.e. MoMoney.I don't play MTT's enough to say I support a particular style. Coming from most 6 & 10 Man STT's, though, I tend not to risk tourney on a call without great odds; but I will push (for fold equity) and early on make some gambles. But my cockiness keep me from caling maybe as much as the pot odds say, especially when I'm not sure where I am in the hand even if I hit, because I think I can play better thasn most. In MTT"s though, you have so many to get thru, I imagine gambling for a bigger stack early/middle is a good idea to help navigate thru the waters later. - and to steal blinds with later

That makes sense. I think playing a big stack is one of my strengths, so I will play a strong draw hard. It just shocked me how much TJ was against drawing at all in tourneys.

[DonkSlayer 1]

Well, one opinion probably takes reads into account too much, while the other dismisses them too much as well.I mean, if the guy is screaming he has Ahxh on a board of 3h7hAc, i would think that calling based purely on appropriate odds with a 4x5z would be not be kosher.Conversely, if you have 22 and are being laid 10-1 preflop for half your deep stack, giver a call.

[nosoul 0]

Over on the 2+2 forum, Gigabet had a writeup about tourny strategy that covered when to draw. I don't feel like digging up the link, but the idea is that you draw more based on "stack odds" than pot odds.For example, say you have 30,000 chips. There's 500 in the pot. On the turn, you have a gutshot straight draw. A player with 4,000 chips bets 1,000. Do you call? According to Gigabet's theory, yes. You can easily fold on the river if you miss. At this point in the tourny, having 29,000 chips is really no different than having 30,000 so you're drawing for free. If you hit, you'll take the guy's stack. So you're risking nothing to gain 4,000 chips, which just gives you more bullets to push people around with.It's an interesting idea. I've tried it a couple times and it seems to lend itself to the "go big or go home" method of tourny play. If you hit your b.s. draws, you build a huge stack and piss everybody off. If you miss, you give away all your chips and end up going out early.

[Actuary 3]

. If you miss, you give away all your chips and end up going out early.

that statement is inconsistent with your explanation of the strategy. Why would you call off all your chips when you are only doing this in situations such as 1000 of 30,000 ? If you had 6,000, you'd play differently.please clarify.thank you.

[ChrisRichey 1]

Wouldn't implied odds suggest the opposite? Draw against a large stack, because if you hit you have more to gain?