DudeSurprise 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Absolute PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $0.25/$0.59 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) DudeSurprise is MP2 with J A UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, DudeSurprise raises, 5 folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.Flop: 8 J 3 (7.4SB, 3 players)UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, DudeSurprise bets, UTG+1 raises, MP1 folds, DudeSurprise calls.Turn: T (5.7BB, 2 players)UTG+1 bets, DudeSurprise folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to UTG+1.Results:Final pot: 5.7BBI have to be behind with the check raise and the lead on the turn...I mean people at this level aren't that tricky, are they? Link to post Share on other sites
BudBundy 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Maybe he has the Ace of spades?Depending on villian sometimes i am three-betting this flop calling a cap and folding turn UI.Without any reads i am calling down to SD unless another spade or Q or K drops.But i am kinda loose so stick to what others say Link to post Share on other sites
aim786 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Thats a really bad fold. The flop c/r can mean as little as a big spade, even something like T9.I call on the flop, and then I play the turn lead in one of two ways:1) I raise the turn. This has the advantage of charging him the maximum for a FD. However, if he is really aggressive, and if he overplays FD's (as many players at these limits do), he may 3bet you forcing you into a difficult spot. I probably fold if he does.2) Call the turn, and call a non spade river. He may easily donk As hi to you on the river if you just call the turn.All in all, you HAVE to at least call this turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 get to showdown.I would not raise anymoreI'd bet if checked to Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 why did you call his raise on the flop if you were gonna fold that turn? Link to post Share on other sites
DudeSurprise 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 My limit hold em game is awful, so I really appreciate the replies.I really don't know why I called the check raise only to fold to a turn bet, I guess I got a little fold happy and gave too much credit. At the time it seemed like a reasonable fold, but looking at it posted here it definitely seems quite absurd. I'm so out of my comfort zone in limit that I'm apparently looking for the monsters under the bed every hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 My limit hold em game is awful, so I really appreciate the replies.I really don't know why I called the check raise only to fold to a turn bet, I guess I got a little fold happy and gave too much credit. At the time it seemed like a reasonable fold, but looking at it posted here it definitely seems quite absurd. I'm so out of my comfort zone in limit that I'm apparently looking for the monsters under the bed every hand.Just for some perspective.If I'm the villain there, I'm raising:Any jack, the As, sometimes even the Ks, especially if it has a pair with it, 9T, again, especially with a spade, any two pair (not that I'm playing J8, 83, J3 in the first place), etc.So we are ahead of a lot here, hence why we should not fold :DI'd probably fold to a 4th spade though.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
DudeSurprise 0 Posted August 19, 2006 Author Share Posted August 19, 2006 Just for some perspective.If I'm the villain there, I'm raising:Any jack, the As, sometimes even the Ks, especially if it has a pair with it, 9T, again, especially with a spade, any two pair (not that I'm playing J8, 83, J3 in the first place), etc.So we are ahead of a lot here, hence why we should not fold :DI'd probably fold to a 4th spade though.- ZachAfter posting, I did just that...put myself in the villain's shoes. I raise all the same hands, so again, not sure why I talked myself into folding here. Stupid on the spot decision making me costing me BBs. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I've been known to drop a river sexy if the turn and river don't hit the 4-flush... read dependent of course.I think you have to get to showdown and see if he misses. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I've been known to drop a river sexy if the turn and river don't hit the 4-flush... read dependent of course.I think you have to get to showdown and see if he misses.Yummy. Link to post Share on other sites
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