Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (7 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)Button ($84)SB ($124.60)Hero ($109.15)UTG ($51.50)MP1 ($95)MP2 ($104.15)CO ($89.40)Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 , 6 . 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, SB completes, Hero checks.Flop: ($5) 6 , 6 , 8 (5 players)SB checks, Hero bets $3, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Button folds, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $7.Turn: ($25) A (2 players)SB bets $10, Hero calls $10.River: ($45) J (2 players)SB bets $25, Hero calls $25.Final Pot: $95Is there such thing as WA/WB in NL?Anyways, does anyone not lead the flop here?Here is my thinking on the flop reraise, and the call down.He's either 1) Got me smoked with 6x, where x>3, 88, etc, or 2) he has 2 outs at the most (I'm not giving credit to a straight draw, maybe I should?)Since we're assuming this is the case, raising would push him off a worse hand, drawing slim, as well as put money in the pot when we are drawing real slim, if not dead, when we are behind, right?Does this make sense? Link to post Share on other sites
Scott3705 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 he's bet small enough here to look him up IMO. If you started seeing a ton more heat you may want to chuck it by the river. I like this hand for the most part. A fold on the river wouldn't be atrocious tho. Link to post Share on other sites
trystero 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 nh all around Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 what does WA/WB mean?I think you played it fine. C/R is suspicous on the flop, and you're kicker is nothing to be proud of. But at these limits, I think you're ahead more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 what does WA/WB mean?Way Ahead/Way Behind.The concept is that you are either way ahead of the villain, and have him drawing extremely thin, or you are way behind and drawing very thin.The idea is to call down since a raise will make him fold any hand that beats you, while limiting the money you put in as a huge dog. Essentially, if he's bluffing or value betting a worse hand, let him continue, while keeping the pot smaller if you are behind.The standard line in limit is:c/c the flop, c/c the turn, b/f the river when OOP.call, call, call when in position.I'm not sure how well it would apply to NL.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 wow i guess that's one of the reasons i'm not so good in limit. i would never fold that in a limit game.BTW, when did you start playing NL? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 wow i guess that's one of the reasons i'm not so good in limit. i would never fold that in a limit game.BTW, when did you start playing NL?Wednesday, August 9th, 2006. lol Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Wednesday, August 9th, 2006. lolLOL well I guess people say it's easier than limit. And for me I agree.Only time will tell if it's the game for you or not though. Do you like it so far? Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 LOL well I guess people say it's easier than limit. And for me I agree.Only time will tell if it's the game for you or not though. Do you like it so far?So far it's fantastic :DJust waiting for the downswing though... Link to post Share on other sites
troyomac 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 So far it's fantastic :DJust waiting for the downswing though...It's not going to be pretty. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 It's not going to be pretty.It's a good thing I play way out of my roll then :DSeriously.. I gotta get that under control.. someone post a downswing graph or something for me... Link to post Share on other sites
Lavitz 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 Villian is probably making a retarded play at pot. Everyone left folded to him and he thought he could represent 6, thinking if you had one you wouldn't bet it out as so. It's either 6 or air IMO because turn ace is certainly scare if he only has TP so why would he bet it? River bet seems same way, either third shell with air or a 6. Play is fine. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 16, 2006 Author Share Posted August 16, 2006 Villian is probably making a retarded play at pot. Everyone left folded to him and he thought he could represent 6, thinking if you had one you wouldn't bet it out as so. It's either 6 or air IMO because turn ace is certainly scare if he only has TP so why would he bet it? River bet seems same way, either third shell with air or a 6. Play is fine.That was my feeling throughout the hand, and why I didn't raise anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
crankin 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 It's a good thing I play way out of my roll then :DSeriously.. I gotta get that under control.. someone post a downswing graph or something for me...I can't give you a direct graph, but, roughly I see minor plateaus about every 2 weeks. Typically a couple days where I can't seem to make any headway, sometimes going backwards a little bit. And about every 2 months or so, I hit a major downward variance swing. Typically lasts about a week. During these times, it seems like every big hand you have is 2nd best and it is easy to donk off a lot of chips trying to "get back in the swing of things". Not going on tilt here is, in my opinion, important to long term success in NL.Obviously, the timing of these things isn't exact. The above are rough averages for what I've seen over the last year.I've hit a couple of those major variance swings right when I was trying to step up to a level that I wasn't properly bankrolled for, and man did it ever hurt. Hence, my previous post to you about playing within your bankroll. When stepping up a level, you can lose Y amount of money twice as fast, and then when you drop back down, it takes twice as long to rebuild it (compared to staying at the higher level). So, you almost feel like you're getting a 4x whack in the head. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 I donk turn. I raise to 25, and dump to a raise. As played, its usually a chop. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 Villain shows 77. Link to post Share on other sites
anyone1 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Looked like A8 to me. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 Villain shows 77.NI HAN SIR Link to post Share on other sites
BIG_L_RIP 0 Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 I'd definitely raise turn. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 17, 2006 Author Share Posted August 17, 2006 I'd definitely raise turn.Why?What does your turn raise accomplish in this hand, in position? Link to post Share on other sites
crankin 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 Why?What does your turn raise accomplish in this hand, in position?If you're pretty sure the guy doesn't have a six, but perhaps had A8 giving him top two on the turn, and he doesn't give you credit for a six, then it gives you a chance to get all the money in on the river. In this particular hand, unless you had a great read, I prefer your line, as you're obviously outkicked if he does have the 6. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Share Posted August 18, 2006 WA/WB imo is the best line. At this level, people are capable of laying down A8 with a pair on board already. Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted August 18, 2006 Author Share Posted August 18, 2006 If you're pretty sure the guy doesn't have a six, but perhaps had A8 giving him top two on the turn, and he doesn't give you credit for a six, then it gives you a chance to get all the money in on the river. In this particular hand, unless you had a great read, I prefer your line, as you're obviously outkicked if he does have the 6.Exactly.All a turn raise accomplishes is folding a hand we crush, or letting him reraise us, or trap us with a hand that crushes us. Link to post Share on other sites
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