making the nuts on the river

[Fira 0]

OK, its NL holdem; ring game, and you raise 3x BB in middle position with AQspades. There are 3 callers.The flop comes Ks 7s 3h, giving you a nut flush draw, a royal flush draw draw, a straight draw draw, and a straightflush draw draw. The small blind raises, you call, and another player calls.The turn is the 9d. Small blind raises again, and you both call.The river is the Ts, and the small blind checks. What do you do?1. Raise a large amount and hope someone calls you.2. Raise a small amount to ensure a call or possibly evoke a re-raise.3. Check and hope that the third player bets.I'm unsure about which of these moves can extract the maximum amount of money from my opponents. I know that it depends on their style of play, but on the internet it is more difficult to determine and keep track of such things.EDIT: And another thing is how would this decision differ if there was only one other player with you in the pot (the small blind; initial raiser)?

[Vade 0]

You have the nuts.You also have a player who has bet/raised every street.Make a big bet, probably oh...2/3 the size of the pot.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

A couple things before answering the question. A "draw draw" is called a backdoor straight draw or a backdoor flush draw. The first person to put money into pots in each round is betting, no raising.Okay, now to the question. Do not check this hand. It would be disastrous to check only to have the third player check behind you. If he also had a flush draw that hit, he's going to call your bet anyway, so don't take the chance of not getting anything. I make a value bet here of maybe 1/3 of the pot. The first player is likely scared of the flush now and checked it accordingly. Make a bet that is small enough that he may feel forced to make a crying call if the 3rd player folds and the action goes back to him. A bet that small might also induce a raise from the 3rd player as well if he also hit the flush. However, the 3rd player might just call that bet, which would be okay too. Why? Because with that much money in the pot the person in 1st position may feel that the pot is laying him too good a price to lay down whatever he has (assuming it is a legitimate hand). So, to sum up, I say bet about 1/3 of the pot.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

And to answer your edit question, I may increase the bet to about 1/2 or 2/3 of the pot against the one opponent and hope that he just feels that you may be bluffing him because he induced a bluff with a check on the river. A pot-sized bet is probably too big.

[SapphireTiger 0]

The simple answer is that you bet as much as you think your opponents will call.it really depends on your table image, how well you know your opponents...blah blah.Definitely value bet it.

[Smasharoo 0]

Just push.It's going to look for all the world like a bluff and you're very likely to get called.A "value-bet" here against someone who's shown continued agression is often leaving money on the table.You could try a weak lead if you think he's capable of bluffing with a hand he'd fold to your bet, but you'll be wasting your time much of the time.

[pokerplayer24 0]

definitely have to throw in a big bet. I'd say half the pot minimum. Both these players have been calling/ betting all along so it is likely that at least 1 calls.

[itwassuited 0]

with the board you certainly are likely up against a big hand. Id bet the at least the pot, maybe even push since it looks like a fishy play.Id check here if you dont like pewker dollars that much.

[Douglas333 0]

just curious.... are you the kind of player that stays in after the flop without a legitimate draw but your so called "draw draws"?

[SabaAba 0]

Just push.It's going to look for all the world like a bluff and you're very likely to get called.A "value-bet" here against someone who's shown continued agression is often leaving money on the table.You could try a weak lead if you think he's capable of bluffing with a hand he'd fold to your bet, but you'll be wasting your time much of the time.

Damn it he beat me to it.You have to push, ALL IN BABY. Someone will call you trust me. Either he made the flush too and will call you, or someone will think you are trying to bluff because the flush hit. Either way, you do this 5 times and get 1 caller, it makes more money than "value" betting 5 times and getting called.

[Fira 0]

just curious.... are you the kind of player that stays in after the flop without a legitimate draw but your so called "draw draws"?

Yes, in fact, I am.My royal flush draw draw draw became a royal flush draw draw on the river; owned!Thanks for all your comments, including Douglass333's. You've been very helpful.

[21gambit 0]

a draw draw? lolA straight flush draw draw.... Im staying in from now on with my pocket twos after the flop for my quads draw draw

[flyingmoose 0]

It depends on where you're playing.If you're playing 600NL, a push will telegraph your exact hand to your opponent. No reasonable player would put you on a bluff here, because there wasn't a draw that missed.If you're playing 50 NL, push and they'll both call.The guy behind you might have a flush himself, so bet about 2/3 the pot and hope he raises. The SB is probably done with this hand once the spade hits. One of the two callers made a flush here 9 times out of 9, so he probably won't be willing to give you any more coin, unless he gets really stubborn with a set.

[21gambit 0]

I dont know where these micro stakes limit players get their ideas of how to play NL cash games. You push if youve been building up your table image as an incredibly loose player who bluffs alot, even then I dont think this is a good move as players will wait for a better spot. Bet a decent size of the pot, maybe over bet the pot to make it look like a steal, usually dont push. players in .1 - .2 wont even call this unless they themselves have a decent flush, which is unlikely.