Devilkin 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 well, all kidding aside, i'm probably over-aggressive in limit and too fancy in NL for my own good. not to sound like a pompous ass, but i find myself thinking at a level too high given my opponents (e.g. thinking on level 4 when they only think on level 2, so i should be thinking on level 3 instead).Good point Aseem and one that I think alot of us make - we sometimes give our opponents too much credit, and when a bad beat happens because they played A2o and managed to hit trip 2s, we lose it because they called a 5xBB raise preflop. I think that its important before you get very agressive in a game to understand the playing styles of your opponenents, so you can know whether they only play their cards, or if they are relative rookies.I find the chatbox invaluable to pick up information on what level they are at. For example, if I hold 86s, and play it for one BB on the button, and win, beating something like AKs, I love to hear someone pick on me for my 'rookie play' or 'being a fish'. From that point forward, I know this person is a by the tight book kinda player - big cards only. Makes suited connectors invaluable heads up. So use the chatbox to get them talking - you'd be surprised the information people are willing to give you, especially after they just beat you in a hand and ,following in the footsteps of evil villains everywhere, want to tell you their full evil plans to capture and execute you. Valuable insight.Ill go read my Superman comics now . . . :shhh: Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyman 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 P-bro town eh ? You go to Trent?My primary weakness is that I play with scared money, as in I often don't bet enough or raise enough to protect my hand or to make enough money. I guess I am overly conservative and really cheap when it comes to poker. Also I'm impatient sometimes and I make my action way too quickly without really going over what I should do.This is me to a tee. My other big problem -- chasing too far with TPTK with an underpair on the board and a large field seeing the flop, or chasing too far with a set on a 3-flush or 4-flush board. I like to think that these are just marginal cases, but I don't know if that's the case. I'm hoping once I get Poker Tracker, it'll help me to pin down this sort of thing better. Link to post Share on other sites
NorthPacific 25 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Discipline and ego!I start the night knowing what I should be doing, what hands to play, what hands to lay. As I start to win, I start to lose discipline and let my ego take over, thinking I'm a better player then the table, playing crap out of position, (or in position for that matter), thinking I can buy the pot if I show enough aggression.I have been trying to work on this. I try to take at least a 5 minute break at least every hour. Another way I have been combating this is by requesting hand histories every hour so I can get all the hands. (Paradise only gives you your last 100 hands). I also started pulling out the hands that disgust me and post them in the strategy section of this forum so I can hear how bad I am. This reinforces my desire to stay disciplined and quells my ego....a little. Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyman 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 My bad habits are that I tend to bet too much with top pair or two pair and not watching the board for possible straights or flushes. Another weakness, is POCKET ACES. For some reason I think they are unbeatable pre-flop, so I raise raise raise. When the board just shows low/rainbow cards, I keep raising, only to get beat by a set of low crap cards.I guess my big weakness is the amount of hands I play in a session. I don't play enough hands, usually less than a 100 (don't have much time, but luckily it's just micro-limits), and 100 hands isn't enough especially if it's a losing session.Your comments reminded me of another weakness -- I don't look hard enough for straight possibilities on the board. If the flop comes J82 and I hold AJ and the turn is an A and the river a 7, I tend to pay off the guy with T9 just because I don't even SEE the hand that beats me so badly. Flushes I'm pretty good with, partly because I use the 4-color deck option whenever it is available -- makes it easier to see flushes when my monitor or eyes are a little fuzzy. :-)I honestly don't think your number of hands in a session is a big problem -- unless it's a concern because you don't get enough time to get a read on your opponents and you never see them again. At bigger rooms like Party and PStars I find long sessions are almost a necessity because your notes on opponents probably aren't going to be used after the current session. At smaller rooms I tend to see more of the same crowd and so any time playing is pretty good. Link to post Share on other sites
goldie79 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I honestly don't think your number of hands in a session is a big problem --If I'm getting a bad run of cards, I usually pack it in. I should try to stick it out and hopefully get that run of playable cards, get on the up-swing. Some nights I get crap for 100 hands or I'll get 10 playable hands in a row and make up for those crappy sessions.Variances. Have to play enough for them to even out? Link to post Share on other sites
HtotheNootch 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Playing online after drinking.I now shut the computer off before I go out since I won't have the patience to wait for it to start, and I'll just go to sleep, read, or watch TV. Link to post Share on other sites
SapphireTiger 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Weaknesses1) Reading too much into things.2) Searching for physical tells more than betting patterns3) Throwing down a big hand when i'm pretty sure i'm beat4) Not adjusting enough to the amount of players left in the tournament5) Not building my chips up early enough in a tournament Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyman 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Variances. Have to play enough for them to even out?Absolutely -- just doesn't have to be in long sessions. As long as each session is giving you enough of a read to beat your opponents, you're probably just as well off playing ten 100 hand sessions as one 1000 hand session, I would say. Heck, under the right circumstances, I'll sometimes sit down and play a single round, from BB to UTG, and then leave. I generally assume that's stupid of me, but it usually only happens when I'm waiting for a SnG to fill up and it fills way faster than I had anticipated.By the way, I was born in Prince George, although I've hardly been back since then -- moved to Alberta when I was two months old. I still think the place is cool, though, just for giving me somewhere to come into the world. :-)EDIT: I should point out that I still think long sessions are inherently better if you're beating the game -- why not keep playing a game you can beat? I'm mostly just saying that if other constraints don't allow for long sessions, I don't think you're losing much. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I bet I'm not the only person with this problem... and it may even be a leak in y'all's games. I for one am too loose and aggressive from the blind. If I have T-3 in the BB and it flops T-7-2... I really should fold if I get raised. In fact, I can even possibly check/fold the flop profitably. If you guys keep track of stats like with PT, I bet you'll all find out you lose more money than you think you should from your blinds. Link to post Share on other sites
goldie79 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Absolutely -- just doesn't have to be in long sessions. As long as each session is giving you enough of a read to beat your opponents, you're probably just as well off playing ten 100 hand sessions as one 1000 hand session, I would say.Would this be for Limit or No-Limit? That could be another weakness, getting reads on players, I usually just play the hands (on limit) according to pot odds, etc., never really watch betting tendencies. Maybe I should just focus on one table at a time.By the way, I was born in Prince George, ...A lot of things have changed here, still no poker rooms, but a new casino. I actually have brother-in-law in Calgary, and tons of relatives there. Next time we have a "family function" there, you'll have to tell what casino to play at. Link to post Share on other sites
BPV 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Playing online after drinking.I now shut the computer off before I go out since I won't have the patience to wait for it to start, and I'll just go to sleep, read, or watch TV.i second this.. i always get drunk and decide plaing poker would be a good idea... half the time i fall asleep while playing Link to post Share on other sites
the_stein 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I play when I'm high, big weakness Link to post Share on other sites
troutsmart 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 My weaknesses that I'm currently working on:Limit- so many I have migraines. Most costly would be my play of middle pair, weak kicker. An example would be me calling a multiway pot with 8 7 in MP and the flop coming K 8 6 . I've never quite grasped how to play this hand the most profitably. I tend to call an early bet rather than isolate, and fold on the turn if I don't improve. Then again, I sometimes get overly aggresive and get called down by a 98 or a weak-suited K. No Limit- my weakness is usually what was my strength just a few weaks prior. Ex. A few weeks ago, I felt I was making some good reads and successfully called a few hands holding Q or K high, after putting an opponent on a lower draw. My success has led to an inflated ego in this area, and I'm getting careless in this regard. Pot Limit- Passively playing the turn when I have the best hand. Ex. I have AJ and raised preflop from the CO. Flop come JT6 with two to a flush. I bet the flop and get a couple callers. The turn is a safe card such as the duece of stars, and again I'm checked to. Lately, I've been overly passive here and made a medium sized bet or gasp, even checked. It isn't good to be tight-passive. Omaha Hi/lo- Letting go of weak draws on the turn. Link to post Share on other sites
AceOfSpades 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 My weakness is easy...Bluffing. Im terrible at it. Any advice since I'm on the topic lol? Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I play when I'm high, big weaknesswhen i smoke when i play it absolutely RUINS my game. i get way too passivemy tuesday night tourney there is TONS of good 'stuff' there, but i always have to pass on it cuz i know i'll eff up my game bad Link to post Share on other sites
pokernoobie 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 i have daniels weakness dunno if he calls it a weakness or not tho ide say so, sometimes i get so curious i pay to just to see the hand Link to post Share on other sites
Phate 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I would say that paying to see a hand when you believe that you are indeed beat is very rarely a good idea. (even if daniel does it often) If you think your beat by the other player but are just itching to call off more money just to see what type of player they are or a pattern, don't do it. Have the patience and the intelligence to throw away your losing hand for a couple reasons. One, someone else who is less patient and/or has more money will eventually show you what you wanted to see. Two, calling off chips "just to see" will only help you if you pick up on a huge tell or bluff or the like. If you really think that the player either has it, or doesnt, then stick to your insticts. If your gut tells you your beat, then just accept it. You'll profit more in the long run letting others take the hit and showing you free info. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 My weakness is easy...Bluffing. Im terrible at it. Any advice since I'm on the topic lol?think if what you do when you have a hand....try to emulate that EXACT same thing (ie betting amount AND body lang.) when you are bluffing Link to post Share on other sites
AceOfSpades 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 My weakness is easy...Bluffing. Im terrible at it. Any advice since I'm on the topic lol?think if what you do when you have a hand....try to emulate that EXACT same thing (ie betting amount AND body lang.) when you are bluffingHaha, thats like exactly the opposite of what I do! Hmm, I'll play smarter on that haha. Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyman 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 Would this be for Limit or No-Limit? That could be another weakness, getting reads on players, I usually just play the hands (on limit) according to pot odds, etc., never really watch betting tendencies. Maybe I should just focus on one table at a time.Limit. I'll admit, I'm not the greatest at getting reads either, but I find as long as I'm only playing two or three tables I can often see enough of the action to get a note on betting patterns here and there. Finding the type to type in the comments is a little harder. ;-)A lot of things have changed here, still no poker rooms, but a new casino. I actually have brother-in-law in Calgary, and tons of relatives there. Next time we have a "family function" there, you'll have to tell what casino to play at.I'd love to, but at the moment I don't play any casinos. I started out playing online, and I love the speed, multi-tabling, and low house take too much to have any really strong desire to go play live. I do play live home games, but mostly for fun. Also, the lowest limits at the casinos here ($4/$8) are outside my bankroll at the moment -- once it gets big enough, I'll probably go try the local casino ring games for the fun of it. Link to post Share on other sites
The Dude 0 Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 I don't concentrate enough when I'm not involved in a hand. If I'm playing online I read forums or put on a DVD. In a live game I'm very chatty to the other guys at the table or calling over a waitress for drinks. I realise it's a big weakness with all the information going on, but I just can't bring myself to study the action. Link to post Share on other sites
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