Vulnerable Nut High And Crappy Low Draw On The Turn

[David_Nicoson 1]

Stack Sizespunky22 2 $168.43dabear 3 $481.05 shane5825 4 $138.08theoutlaws 5 $130.50allybaba75 6 $197.00YogiGolf 7 $248.02HDiamond 8 $22.00 David_Nicoson 9 $274.00 with 9 A 7 4 Preflopshane5825 Call $ 2.00 theoutlaws Check allybaba75 Fold YogiGolf Call $ 2.00 HDiamond Call $ 2.00 David_Nicoson Call $ 1.00 (A little loose, but on the SB what the hell?) dabear Check Flop ($13)6 K 8 David_Nicoson Bet $ 2.00 (Dopey feeler bet with OESD) dabear Call $ 2.00 shane5825 Call $ 2.00 theoutlaws Call $ 2.00 YogiGolf Fold HDiamond Call $ 2.00 Turn ($23)6 K 8 T David_Nicoson Bet $ 11.50 (I have the current nuts for high and crappy low draw.) dabear Raise $ 57.50 shane5825 Fold $ 0.00 theoutlaws Call $ 57.50 HDiamond All-in $ 18.00 David_Nicoson All-in $ 258.50 dabear All-in $ 419.55 theoutlaws All-in $ 68.00 If I were playing PLO for high only, I'd hate my position here without a flush or full house redraw. I have a little something for a low redraw. Is it enough? Or should I not go to war with this hand?

[jjgoldy5 0]

Stack Sizespunky22 2 $168.43dabear 3 $481.05 shane5825 4 $138.08theoutlaws 5 $130.50allybaba75 6 $197.00YogiGolf 7 $248.02HDiamond 8 $22.00 David_Nicoson 9 $274.00 with 9 A 7 4 Preflopshane5825 Call $ 2.00 theoutlaws Check allybaba75 Fold YogiGolf Call $ 2.00 HDiamond Call $ 2.00 David_Nicoson Call $ 1.00 (A little loose, but on the SB what the hell?) dabear Check Flop ($13)6 K 8 David_Nicoson Bet $ 2.00 (Dopey feeler bet with OESD) dabear Call $ 2.00 shane5825 Call $ 2.00 theoutlaws Call $ 2.00 YogiGolf Fold HDiamond Call $ 2.00 Turn ($23)6 K 8 T David_Nicoson Bet $ 11.50 (I have the current nuts for high and crappy low draw.) dabear Raise $ 57.50 shane5825 Fold $ 0.00 theoutlaws Call $ 57.50 HDiamond All-in $ 18.00 David_Nicoson All-in $ 258.50 dabear All-in $ 419.55 theoutlaws All-in $ 68.00 If I were playing PLO for high only, I'd my position here without a flush or full house redraw. I have a little something for a low redraw. Is it enough? Or should I not go to war with this hand?

Personally, I think this is an easy fold after you are raised. You do not have a lot invested in the hand, and realistically, you hate every single card that is going to come out of the deck with the exception (POSSIBLY) of a 2 or 3.Board is 6 8 10 K, you have 79 for high and A4 for low.Ace brings a higher straight and kills your low, while bringing another low.King brings a paired boardQueen brings higher straightJack brings higher straight10 brings paired board9 brings higher straight8 brings paired board7 brings higher straight6 brings paired board5 you are probably getting 1/4, but has the potential to be a decent card4 kills your low, while bringing another3 you are probably getting 1/4, but has the potential to be a decent card2 you are probably getting 1/4, but has the potential to be a decent cardAnd you definitely hate any diamond.The big raise probably means a straight with some redraws or a better low draw than you.The call is probably on a flush and/or low draw.Basically, you are drawing to a non diamond 2,3,5 for possibly only 1/4 of the pot.Hi-Lo is a game where you can fold the nuts on the flop. Vulnerable straights are a great reason to do that.See this post: http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...showtopic=70205

[David_Nicoson 1]

Rather oddly, no one had a flush draw. There was a better low draw in the main pot, but I had the best low draw in the side pots.dabear 3: A 9 K 7 (nut str8, very poor low draw, jack for a better str8)the outlaws 5: J 10 K Q (two pair & OESD)HDiamond 8: 3 6 10 A (two pair & good low draw)David_Nicoson 9: 9 A 7 4 (nut st8, poor low draw)Everybody does have a way to score big on the end.

[David_Nicoson 1]

Rather oddly, no one had a flush draw. There was a better low draw in the main pot, but I had the best low draw in the side pots.dabear 3: A 9 K 7 (nut str8, very poor low draw, jack for a better str8)the outlaws 5: J 10 K Q (two pair & OESD)HDiamond 8: 3 6 10 A (two pair & good low draw)David_Nicoson 9: 9 A 7 4 (nut st8, poor low draw)Everybody does have a way to score big on the end.

Main Pot:First Side pot:I botched the first player's cards in the main pot; he has a king, not a queen. This is much more straightforward the way you you did with twodimes.After the turn:twodimes

pokenum  -o8 ac 9c kh 7c  - js td kc qs  - 3d 6s th ah  - 9s as 7h 4h  -- kd 6d 8c ts Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 32 enumerated boards containing Ts 8c Kd 6dcards		  scoop  HIwin  HIlos  HItie  LOwin  LOlos  LOtie	 EVAc 9c  7c  Kh	  0	  0	  7	 25	  0	 14	  0  0.266Qs Js  Kc  Td	  4	  5	 27	  0	  0	  0	  0  0.1416s 3d  Ah  Th	  2	  2	 30	  0	 13	  0	  0  0.266As 9s  7h  4h	  0	  0	  7	 25	  4	 13	  0  0.328

[jjgoldy5 0]

If you expect that sort of result in the long-run, I think you will creating a huge leak.I am open to discussion though. It just seems like your hand is very vulnerable, and are probably getting 1/4'd

[David_Nicoson 1]

If you expect that sort of result in the long-run, I think you will creating a huge leak.I am open to discussion though. It just seems like your hand is very vulnerable, and are probably getting 1/4'd

I'd didn't come away from it thinking I'd made a good play. I'm not in the great a shape with the actual hands, and I'm actually surprised not to be facing a flush draw.Thanks for the feedback.

[Chamonyx 0]

Check/Fold the flop to any significant action.Once you see the turn, however, going to war is fine - especially as you get HU in the sidepot which is for much more than your investment in the main pot. In this respect, your weak low is very valuable.

[jjgoldy5 0]

Check/Fold the flop to any significant action.Once you see the turn, however, going to war is fine - especially as you get HU in the sidepot which is for much more than your investment in the main pot. In this respect, your weak low is very valuable.

It seems our EV calculators are a little off.This scenario has you with 19% equity in the main pot and http://twodimes.net/h/?z=189152343% equity in the side pothttp://twodimes.net/h/?z=1891543Your EV also drops significantly if you make some simple adjustments, like giving one of the players in the side pot a flush draw.This isn't horrible, I just think that we can get our money in better when we hate practically every card in the deck. Good luck.

[Chamonyx 0]

Be careful about Monster-under-the bed syndrome here - actually, Monster-under-every-bed-in-the-dorm. With so many players pushing in here there is a good chance that many of the flush cards are out, so even if the other big stack has a flus draw, it is not as good as he thinks; If he has a set then he still needs to hit and will need a 4 card hand to beat you.