SilentSnow 1 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...mp;lid=tab1pos1You wouldnt think anyone would ever lose the main event on purpose, but after reading some of those quotes, I wonder if Jamie Gold is seriously considering it?"I'm not sure if I want to win. And I'm in control of that.''"I also don't want to be responsible for being the ambassador of poker or anything like that.""I would rather come in second.''"I haven't decided what I'm doing,'' he said. "If it's inappropriate, I won't do it. I'm just telling you that if I had to plan it out, coming in second would be more satisfying to me.''So what are the odds of a backroom deal tonight? Gold goes to Cunningham and tells him for 3 million or so he'll throw the tournament to him? This is definitely what both players would want. Is this even illegal, or just unethical? Link to post Share on other sites
PillarPAX217 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I say he is full of garbage. Not saying he wouldn't do it, just that him even bringing it up is complete crap. Thousands of people entered that tournament to win, and this guy says "I don't want to be the ambassador of poker if I win". Then do not play! Millions of people would do anything to win this tournament, and this guy is fulfilling many people's dreams and he is whining about it. What a joke. Link to post Share on other sites
NoxKo 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 It would taint the entire series.If a deal were made, I'd have a hard time following the ME anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
Lard0999 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?...mp;lid=tab1pos1So what are the odds of a backroom deal tonight? Gold goes to Cunningham and tells him for 3 million or so he'll throw the tournament to him? This is definitely what both players would want. Is this even illegal, or just unethical?From what I can tell, Cunningham dosen't care much for fame or prestige. If you watch the Cardplayer interview after he won the bracelet this year, he said he was gonna put the bracelet in his closet with his other and the money was the most important thing. I can't see him giving up 3 million just to be called Main Event champion. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 From what I can tell, Cunningham dosen't care much for fame or prestige. If you watch the Cardplayer interview after he won the bracelet this year, he said he was gonna put the bracelet in his closet with his other and the money was the most important thing. I can't see him giving up 3 million just to be called Main Event champion.please tellme you just forgot to put sw like the dumb noob you are Link to post Share on other sites
Gooser 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I can't see him giving up 3 million just to be called Main Event champion.dont forget about the endorsements hes bound to receive if he wins...3 million dollars for endorsements likely worth more than that might be a good deal Link to post Share on other sites
SilentSnow 1 Posted August 9, 2006 Author Share Posted August 9, 2006 From what I can tell, Cunningham dosen't care much for fame or prestige. If you watch the Cardplayer interview after he won the bracelet this year, he said he was gonna put the bracelet in his closet with his other and the money was the most important thing. I can't see him giving up 3 million just to be called Main Event champion. Gold's chips are worth at least 3 million right now. Im assuming there is no way Cunningham would lose money on the deal, and would get a bracelet plus tons of endorsements also. Even if he cared exclusively about money, it would be hugely +EV. Really the only downside I can come up with is if this is illegal or considered so bad it would ruin their careers. Assume for arguments sake that any deal would be very hard to prove happened. Link to post Share on other sites
DunkSB 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 it's ridiculous to think that there WON'T be a deal between the last 2-3 players...a $6M difference between the first two places is too much to risk on a bad beat possibility. Also, I think it'd be hard to actually throw this event, especially with hole cams nowadays. His integrity, in poker and his business outside, would be seriously compromised if he tried to lose by calling all-ins with no pair/no draw type of hands.my $0.02 Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 it's ridiculous to think that there WON'T be a deal between the last 2-3 players...a $6M difference between the first two places is too much to risk on a bad beat possibility. Also, I think it'd be hard to actually throw this event, especially with hole cams nowadays. His integrity, in poker and his business outside, would be seriously compromised if he tried to lose by calling all-ins with know pair/no draw type of hands.my $0.02I agree with both of your points. Link to post Share on other sites
dreilly 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 3 Million is Nothing Compared to All the Endorsments and Everything He Will Get in The Coming Year. He Would be Stupid Not to...I Already Rate Him as a Great Player Due to This Performance. He Might Also Get Back to Back Player of the Year Titles if He Wins this. I Will Rate Him in the Top 5 in the World if He Acheives ThatHeres a Hand that Jamie Gold Played that Seems Like He wants to Throw This Away:David Einhorn raises to $250,000 from middle position, Jamie Gold, Allen Cunningham and Luke Chung all call. The flop comes the Q J 6 , David Einhorn bets $1,000,000 and Jamie Gold raises to $3,000,000. Everyone folds around to Einhorn who pushes all in. Gold immediately calls with Q:diamond: 6:diamond: while Einhorn shows the K Q . The turn is the 3 and the river is the 8 eliminating David Einhorn in 18th place. Link to post Share on other sites
swiftD777 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 This isn't a beauty pagent. He doesn't have an ethical commitment to do good for his cause if he wins. If Gold wins and he doesn't want to be the "ambassodor of poker" then he could just sit in a giant house in the hills counting his money and not answering his phones. Link to post Share on other sites
SeanPhillippi 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 it's ridiculous to think that there WON'T be a deal between the last 2-3 players...a $6M difference between the first two places is too much to risk on a bad beat possibility. Also, I think it'd be hard to actually throw this event, especially with hole cams nowadays. His integrity, in poker and his business outside, would be seriously compromised if he tried to lose by calling all-ins with know pair/no draw type of hands.my $0.02I am not saying he is going to, but he could do it and get away with it. All he would have to say is he tried a stone-cold bluff and it backfired on him. That would be tough to believe after he said he is thinking about throwing the event, but no one could ever prove otherwise.This isn't a beauty pagent. He doesn't have an ethical commitment to do good for his cause if he wins. If Gold wins and he doesn't want to be the "ambassodor of poker" then he could just sit in a giant house in the hills counting his money and not answering his phones.Maybe he could start giving Johnny Chan tips on how to play poker. Link to post Share on other sites
NoxKo 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Just the fact that he's already said what he's said is extremely disappointing.Now if he loses, there will be doubts.A real shame considering the magnitude of this event and what it means to everyone involved and the poker world in general. Link to post Share on other sites
swiftD777 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Just the fact that he's already said what he's said is extremely disappointing.Now if he loses, there will be doubts.A real shame considering the magnitude of this event and what it means to everyone involved and the poker world in general.Or maybe it adds soome much needed drama to a group of unknown players competing for the biggest prize pool in poker history, which will produce better TV ratings. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Yeah, I'd fight my way through 8,771 other players to come in 2nd. I mean, you're all alone at the top, who wants that?And if he loses, the only doubts I'll be having is of his sanity. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I don't think the world is going to be chasing him down. All he has to do is not make him self accessable. Varcony is not exactly famous outside the poker world, barely famous in it, and never had to deal with the poker ambassador stuff, did he?He's full of sh it. Link to post Share on other sites
Seattleallstar 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 thats a bunch of BS theres 12 million is alot of money, what a stupid statement by Jamie Gold. Ready for what, its a gambling competition. No one gives a sheeit Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Varcony is not exactly famous outside the poker world, barely famous in it, and never had to deal with the poker ambassador stuff, did he?But now the poker world sees QT as the Varkonyi. Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 1 Jamie Gold 30,000,000gonna have a hard time throwing it if he doesn't slow down Link to post Share on other sites
jbage007 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 yeah he must want to "not win" so bad that he just re-raised a $250,000 raise to $1,000,000plays like that seem to counter his wordswatch my actions son, for they speak louder than my words Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 watch my actions son, for they speak louder than my wordsall i can see is your words. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Good tactic..."I'm calling him down in case he's dumping". Link to post Share on other sites
Jerry 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 did any of you really read the link? gold says he wants to win. but he'd rather win without the fame. all the talk about taking a dive is just to illustrate his point of how much he don't want to be famous. Link to post Share on other sites
FourFlusher 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Yeah, I'm only doing this interview to say I don't want to be noticed. Link to post Share on other sites
BoBetter 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Lock It Up Link to post Share on other sites
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