XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I see the truth.I'd have no f'ing clue who Howard Lederer is if it weren't for the WPT.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
jayvegas420 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular. Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular.why do you think you're important? Link to post Share on other sites
PairTheBoard 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 A lot of people here simply believe Daniel when he says that the WPT has never actually taken advantage of the Rights granted in the Release outside of promoting the show. Yet in section 57 of the Complaint the example is given where WPTE has used video footage of Messrs. Lederer and Raymer and Ms Duke playing in the WPT tournament as part of its "World Poker Tour" video game against the players' wishes and in competition with the "World Championship Poker" video game which those players have endorsed in contract with Crave Entertainment, Inc.Also, in section 58 of the complaint the example is given where WPTE has used video footage of Mr. Gordon playing in WPT tournaments - without his prior knowledge or any compensation - to promote its World Poker Tour Boot Camp, in direct competion with "Las Vegas Academy" poker fantasy camp run by Mr. Gordon and co-Plaintiff Andrew Bloch.I have pointed out 57 and 58 in numerous posts on this Forum. Daniel has yet to respond to the information, even though he has said he would reevaluate his position if such examples were brought to light. Many of his supporters continue to believe that no such things have ever happened because he said so.Howard, how solid are 57 and 58? They are the foundation of your complaint imo. If they turn out to be on a par with some of Annie's arguments with Floor people I'm afraid your lawsuit is in trouble.PairTheBoard Link to post Share on other sites
cfinnn 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular.LOL. Daniel has many talents, but responding to a thread when he's not even online is not one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular.You probably need that $3.05.JS. Link to post Share on other sites
ricker 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular.shoot, I'll take that action!! Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Please disregard my previous post in this thread, I was just informed by jayvegas420 that it is in fact $3.25, not the aforementioned $3.05, that he currently holds in his UB account.Pleasa make a note of it.TY. Link to post Share on other sites
Theraflu 1,035 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Please disregard my previous post in this thread, I was just informed by jayvegas420 that it is in fact $3.25, not the aforementioned $3.05, that he currently holds in his UB account.Pleasa make a note of it.TY.He's abusing his PM's. i was a member for like 6 months before i ever received a PM. now he's sending them out like valentines. i assume that, much like his valentines, he wont receive many replies. Link to post Share on other sites
XX44466XX 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 He's abusing his PM's. i was a member for like 6 months before i ever received a PM. now he's sending them out like valentines. i assume that, much like his valentines, he wont receive many replies.Unlike poker, which I have been informed that you suck at, you make some rather amusing quips. Link to post Share on other sites
bulldog999 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I only had to be a member of this forum for 48 hours before I wasted my time reading a bogus thread. The fact that Daniel has not dignified this thread with a response should be testament enough that Howie is not the OP. I will dump the remainder of my UB account if this thread is proven authentic! I will not waste anymore of my time with this thread which, is surprisingly popular.Yeah, why would DN be watching the debut of his Tunica win on ESPN when he could be responding to this guy? Link to post Share on other sites
Marchione 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Howard.Daniel has made a point how he feels that this is bad timing for this lawsuit ~with the house passing a bill about internet gambling.do you think adding the "anti trust" (witch is a buz word) a wise thing at this time.lets not forget you have a job with a company that had direct links with an online gaming site(one could say you run that site) along with your conviction from the 90's dont you think this lawsuit could bit you in the azz. Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 While there is a war going on and a threat from Iran?The elections will be a remake of Churchill vs Chamberlin '38Poker will never come up on any politicians campaigns, not one.what you said here is what SHOULD be the case. yet since gay marraige, flag burning and other nonsense dominate our political landscape.....well, anything is possible at this point. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Unlike poker, which I have been informed that you suck at, you make some rather amusing quips.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
Annie Duke 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Howard, come back to bed.... Link to post Share on other sites
LAPoker 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I am doing some PR work at Rio's tomorrow, maybe then. I do not have a personal number for you so i will check back here in an hour to see if you replied. If not i will try a bit harder to get a contact number. Yours, HowardYou guys are so freaking gullable. No way howard Lederer calls it "Rio's". I also don't buy that howard decided that rather than speaking with Daniel privately he would come on a public forum and post messages regarding a case that has yet to be heard. No way his attorney would let him do that, and I don't think he is dumb enough to do it on his own. I just have two words for ya "H Lederer"............I CALL! Link to post Share on other sites
cfinnn 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 GREAT...the Professor of poker just told Cfinnn she was right.As if winning a seat into the main event wasn't enough.There will be NO LIVING with her now. Link to post Share on other sites
Squamch 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I guess whether or not that's really Howard Lederer is up for debate, but whatever the case, the guy brings up a lot of good points. I've been on the fence with this, partially because I only understand the non-legal jargon parts.It's kind of weird, because there are two poker players that I follow like a sports team. One is Daniel, because I'm Canadian and because he's very charasmatic. I would have never started playing had I not caught him bluffing Freddy Deeb. The other is Howard, who without his DVD's, watching him play, and reading whatever it is I can find, I would be a far worse player than I am now. The one thing I can't understand is, if the WPT claims they don't intend to use player images without their consent, then why are they so insistent on keeping it in the release form? Is it just to protect themselves against lawsuits in case mistakes happen? It seems like they're being very stubborn over something that, according to them, isn't even that big of a deal. Daniel's argument is mostly that this will hurt poker, which might be true. But, if I'm not mistaken, he believes it will be the WPT's lawyers who tear apart the 7 players, thus making all players look bad. But wouldn't that be against the WPT's interest? I think the one thing that people need to keep in mind is that both sides of the argument really believe they're doing what's best for poker players. They just have very different ideas on what's best. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 QUOTE(Balloon guy @ Tuesday, August 8th, 2006, 4:59 PM) *GREAT...the Professor of poker just told Cfinnn she was right.As if winning a seat into the main event wasn't enough.There will be NO LIVING with her now. icon_doh.gifbiggrin.gifLMAOHey CF! Link to post Share on other sites
StevieV711 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 Also, in section 58 of the complaint the example is given where WPTE has used video footage of Mr. Gordon playing in WPT tournaments - without his prior knowledge or any compensation - to promote its World Poker Tour Boot Camp, in direct competion with "Las Vegas Academy" poker fantasy camp run by Mr. Gordon and co-Plaintiff Andrew Bloch.Now that I have read and thought about this more, I think a person would have to be an idiot to sign up for the WPT Boot camp expecting Andy Bloch or Phil Gordon because of some dumb ad. The first thing you do is find out who is actually going to be there, and then ask for how long. I know Shaq has a camp, and one year he was there for about 10 minutes, said hi to the campers then jetted out of there. And I would think that the free face time they get would actually help them in their REAL fantasy camp (and by the way, WHO GOES TO THESE THINGS?????)The biggest issue to me, in thinking about this whole lawsuit is that the 7 want the face time on the WPT events, they just don't want to adhere to the consent form. Maybe it is a little unfair, but they still have a choice, sign it and play, or not and don't play. They want the face time because they want to sell more of their dvd's, books, fantasy camp admissions, and to pimp their websites. Let's get real, players are now walking billboards for online sites. As for the WPT locking up the venues, they took a chance on locking in these sites as I am sure there were contracts signed, and they hit the jackpot, it is like someone taking a chance on a tech stock and it hitting, so I don't see where there is a problem with that. Also, a casino, of all companies would hardly want to lock up one tour if they thought they could make money doing multiple tours. Do you think the WPT or casinos hold the pocket Aces on that action? The truth be told, other than using the name of the casino, I can't see how too many casinos think that cheap looky lou's going through their casinos are going to help their bottom line in the long run. I don't fault the 7, I just think they could have positioned themselves much better by waiting and getting a whole grip of players involved in the action.And as for the "if the WPT sold it to another company" argument, I think that is full of ?@%? too. The thing is, the players DO have a say, and that say is to boycott the WPT events if they misuse the power that they have on the release. IF you piss off enough players, they will bite back. No players, or very few players means, no ratings, no event, seems pretty simple to me.7 is not enough to move the WPT to act in a settlement. IT is going to get ugly before it gets better (and that is IF things even get better) for the players. Link to post Share on other sites
hockeydude758 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 hey howie I don't think this is really you but just in case it is, I want you to know a few things1. your sister is *hot* man! 2. you're a dorko3. your DVD's are the biggest waste of $%#$ that I ever made4. your sister's DVD's really ROCKwhat I really don't get is that you supposedly taught her how to playbut she is sooooo much better than youhow do you 'xplain that dude?ok that's about itthanks for chiming in you imposter youAMEN Link to post Share on other sites
blake738 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 I'm not sure if Mr. Lederer is still reading this topic, or if it is even him. However I have a question. Could you address the issue that Daniel brought up about the WSOP release being even worse than the WPT release. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't even fully understand what laws are being broken with this contract, but could you address whether Daniel's statement was true or not. Link to post Share on other sites
sdnuol 0 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 i stopped reading after page 2 is this howard or not? Link to post Share on other sites
dna4ever 2 Posted August 9, 2006 Share Posted August 9, 2006 locking this thread. if howard wants to reach daniel he knows how to through his agent.this 'howard' ip resolves to a Amsterdam NL address.If its legit it can easily be unlocked. Link to post Share on other sites
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