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This isn't as big a deal as either side is making it.And for you boneheads..the Professor title isn't a real degree, it's a nickname given to him by Vince Van Patton and Mike Sexton. So relax on spelling errors
I know, I was just kidding since I had nothing intelligent to contribute.
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I know, I was just kidding since I had nothing intelligent to contribute.
I wasn't addressing this to you, just to the ones that read it and nodded their heads. You know who you are!
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Ya, cause noone else could have heard that, made this account, and posted it.
You're one of those that calls a capped pot to the river with a pair of 5's aren't you and then says, 'Huh, you do have it don't you?'
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I know how to find out if this is the real HowardSomeone bet him $9,000 that he won't eat a hamburger. If he takes it than he's a fake. Howard won't eat meat for less than $10K
Or challenge him to a poker match, if he accepts, it's a fake. If he counteroffers to announce or analyze your match, it's him. If he writes a book about this thread, it's him.
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definitely fake.all Howard would have to do is get Daniel's cell number from his sister.
lol that sounded funny, but nah I don't think this is fake.
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You're one of those that calls a capped pot to the river with a pair of 5's aren't you and then says, 'Huh, you do have it don't you?'
Cap with 5's? No. Sorry son, I am not like you in the least bit. Are you one of those who thinks that someone who created the account MThatcher and typed the history of England is really Margaret Thatcher? RKIGS
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My gut feeling is this is real because I saw H Lederer was looking through a few threads. Also, it's pretty well spoken and brings up Ferguson's relationship with Activision. Spelling errors don't mean it's not well-said.

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My gut feeling is this is real because I saw H Lederer was looking through a few threads. Also, it's pretty well spoken and brings up Ferguson's relationship with Activision. Spelling errors don't mean it's not well-written.
I doubt this is the real Squamch
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If it is really you Mr. Lederer you should PM Daniel with a number/place to get in contact with you instead of posting in the forum because he cannot verify it's really you. Click on his name, then private message. Tell him something only the real Howard would know.

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We’ve tried very hard since November to negotiate a settlement of the release with the World Poker Tour. We were bargaining in good faith as best we could. There are some very important elements of that release that are completely unacceptable. There are other issues beside the release, but the release was the thing that got us here. There are three major issues. First, the number of tournaments is limited by the agreements between the WPT and the host casinos. Second, the release and the broad rights the WPT feels like it should have in terms of our name and likeness are completely unfair, particularly considering they don’t pay for those. We have no choice in the matter. And finally the structures of the final tables. These are all fixed in all WPT events and that’s a big problem because you have these great tournaments that have taken four or five days to get down to six players and then it’s over in four hours. That’s a real shame. The problem is that the current release limits our choice. If I’m sitting in my house thinking, “Boy, I’d like to play in a $10,000 tournament somewhere,” at least ten months of the year when the World Series isn’t going on my choice is either to go to a WPT event and sign a release that violates many of the agreements I have with other vendors or not play. And I want to play. I want to compete. The WPT has the dominant market position in terms of those events representing the vast majority of the large buy-in televised tournaments out there. With that market dominance comes some responsibility. They have to treat the players fairly. It’s in the best interest of poker, and it’s in the best interest of the WPT to treat the players fairly.This is something that just needed to happen and because it’s an anti-trust suit the seven of us could act as the proxy, the test case that would clear the way for everyone. The seven of us feel like we’ve been injured. We’ve been prevented from playing in these things for almost a year now and we just felt like it was time to do something. We know that the poker media is around here so we’re taking some advantage of the fact that it’s the World Series of Poker, but at the same time we felt it was very important that we show respect for the biggest and most prestigious poker tournament in the world and not announce it during the main event. We hope for a settlement that would be fair for everyone. We hope for a release that is fair for everyone where people can retain control of their names and likenesses. I want to make a very clear distinction. We’re not saying there shouldn’t be a release. There has to be a release. You have to let the WPT film the shows and air them in a show. There has to be a WPT on the Travel Channel. Without a release you can’t do that. We’re not suggesting otherwise. This is all about the use and the control of our names and likenesses, which is all we have outside of the shows. That’s something we don’t feel like we should have to give away for zero in a priced fixed market. I don't not mind opinions. That is what makes the world a better place. Feel free to reply.

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Why do you feel media coverage is important in a case that will be decided by the courts?Are you just jockeying for negotiation?Whose fault is it some of you signed conflicting contracts?Why do you think you have the right to dictate the structure of the final table?

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Well, Howard(if that is your real name), What do you have to say about what Daniel's(and my) real problem with this is. It is going to be bad publicity for poker. With the gvt. doing what they are doing to online poker, don't you think this will bring more negative attention to the game. We don't need that right now.

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I have a couple of questions. First, for Daniel: If WPT has Never used a players name and likeness without consent, why is that in the release? Seems like they don't need it.Now, for the OP. Isn't it the right of the business (WPT) to run thier own business as they please? This is still a profit-driven, capitalistic society. I mean, certainly you can make a living without $10,000 buy-in tourneys, right? Also, has the sale of DVDs, books, etc. that were catapulted originally by the WPT more than made up for this?

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If it is really you Mr. Lederer you should PM Daniel with a number/place to get in contact with you instead of posting in the forum because he cannot verify it's really you. Click on his name, then private message. Tell him something only the real Howard would know.
Better yet, Howard. just post your phone number on the forum. I'm sure Daniel will be the only one to call you. We promise.
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The reason you can't win an antitrust case is as follows:You are players not a competing poker tour. Their monopoly exists only because no other option exists not because of unfair business practices.And no, unlike Raymer, I am not a lawyer...I am however a law student

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Whether this is the real HL or not I am going to respond.If your name and image mean so much to you, you may want to consider how this might damage your image and the image of professional poker today. Do you honestly feel that in a day in age when we are fighting for are right to even play poker in this country, it's a good time to drag the establishment that brought poker and poker celebrities into the mainstream to court? If you honestly don't think things will get dirty during the discovery process, you are fooling yourself. In the end this will reflect badly on poker and poker players in general.Although you have a right to want the WPT to change their contracts due to the vast popularity of poker today, there are many that just see this as being no different than a person signing a contract before they were famous and then once they became famous wants out of the initial contract so he can make more money. Perhaps each of you involved in the lawsuit should have consider these things before you signed it in the first place. Guess you weren't really concerned about it at the time.

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I think you guys bring up some good points, and I commend you for fighting this fight. Its clear that your intentions are in the right spot as you are paying for this out of your own pocket, and do not stand to profit directly from this lawsuit.Daniel does bring up a good point though that this could create negative publicity indirectly for the poker world, and the ramifications could spiral and become serious.On the other hand if you do not fight this now, then when will be the time to challenge WPTE? It would be a shame for the WPTE to be sold, or for the controllers of this corporation to decide to start using their legal rights and pimping off all the players images to the highest bidder. Also I do agree with the point that the tournament structure is not one that the vast majority of participants would agree with in terms of the the final table being cut down in time. Although many people will argue that you don't have to play in the WPT events, this is exactly what anti-trust law is for.So I hope that you are successful in your endevour and I hope that Daniel can meet with the seven of you and sort all of this out.

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Welcome to FCP, Howard. Please ignore the crazies.Sending a PM or email is definitely a good idea. Or contacting his agent. I hope you two get this thing sorted out and everyone can at least agree to disagree.Best of luck.

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There's also the case of you guys stating you are doing this for poker players everywhere. I don't recall giving you permission to speak for me.
That is a bit ridiculous.What they're trying to do will not make things worse off for you by any means. It can only get better. So I don't think they need your permission to improve the landscape of the game.Unless you would prefer the WPT owns you forever. If you prefer it, then by all means start a movement to fight to keep it.
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