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What do you think about his play from UTG and mine?
I put the villian on A :club: K :D before reading the results, but I really can't make an narrower range of his holdings because I don't know the villian well enough. Is he the type to minbet a big hand preflop? Or does he do this with a wide range of crappy hands?His bet was weakish UTG. Re-raising is debateable with your pair of 10's because he could of been trying to suck you in with a hand like AA/KK/QQ/JJ and will most likely be willing to race or call a big re-raise with AK/AQ/AJs. Plus we are in position if the button folds. I would have just called as well to see a flop because I'm not looking to lay my tournament life on the line with a pair of 10's unless I absolutely have to, or if I feel the raiser was REALLY out of line.The flop comes Ace high with two clubs. When it's checked to you, you have to pretty much commit to yourself to a decision to either bet huge on the flop if you feel he doesn't have an Ace, or shut down completely if you do UNLESS you improve (although he most likely was going to C/R you with his second best flush draw, and you would have been a 6-5 dog).SO when you check, you just have to shut down after and keep the pot small. When the third club hits on the turn, but it makes your trips, you improve but not enough to raise. You have to figure he now has you beat as you gave him a free card to hit his flush (or hit his monster AcKc draw), so I would have just called his 1200 turn bet with the intention of folding unless you boat (you are getting good enough implied odds to call because if you boat the river, you'll probably get most of his chips). It's a tough fold on the river when the other club hits, but at least you'll still have chips.
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ultimately this isn't that big a deal, you had best hand before flop, but not good enough to push him off. A min raise UTG smells like a bigger hand than it was.You were not going to push a guy off a 2nd nut flush draw if he raised with KJ preflop. This type of player is looking for the flush, and the flop gave him what he wanted.The Ace made it impossible for you to push him off anyway.The 10 :club: was the worst thing you could have hit. Any other card, any other, and you can get away from this when he bets turn.You got out flopped, happens. Put this in the "don't call raises with 10s against someone who has a bigger stack than you" catagory and sign up for the next one.Play Poker like the Pros is available in your local bookstore

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On the bubble in recent tourney with about 600 people, top 100 get paid. 110 people left, I am about average chips stack with 19000, my opponent is UTG with about 21000. Just got moved to this table so not sure how he plays, blinds are 600-1200.He raises to 2400 UTG. I call from the cutoff with 10 :club: 10 :D and everybody else foldsFlop - A :D 2 :D 6 :) He checks, I checkTurn - 10 :) He bets 1200, I raise to 5000, he pushes all in.Couple of Questions...1. What do you do if you were me? I called because 40000 in chips would have put me with the chipleaders, and I was playing to win the tourney not just make the money, but i could be wrong.2. What do you think he has? Remember he raised UTG?Thoughts and opions are welcomed, I will tell you what I had after I get some feedback...
As I type this I havn't read any other posts so I apologize if I repeat someone. Bet the flop to see where you stand. I would call here too. The flush seems too unlikely, almost like he's trying to push you off the draw, I'd think he had AKish
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lol...bump
There was no way he didn't have the flush after that bet, raise, and push. He knows you're not going away from the hand at this point, so he's not betting with anything else. He probably has you on A/x...maybe even A/10. He has the flush, especially on the bubble. Tough one, but you have to lay this down.Chad
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If i was your opponent i would have bet after the flop to represent the ace. I think you are right to call his all-in. Even when he shows the flush you have some outs if the board pairs. And like you said you wanted to win the tournament not just make the money. Had you been happy just playing tighter and cashing you may have played it differently.

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My guess, without getting too exact:A-x Clubs, the x is probably 8 or 9, possibly J, but not K or Q.What should you have done? Flat call the turn bet and pray the board pairs up, because he's repping a flush. His check on the flop means, to me, he's faking weakness and was hoping you'd bet into his top pair. On the turn, you hit your set, but I think he's got the flush working for him, which is the only way he repops you all in. This is assuming you both have half a brain, which, I know, I know, is assuming a lot.Anyway, that's my answer...Now I'll go look at what really happened.Oh, well. Wrong again, but reasonably close. Back to the drawingboard.

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5 1/2 to 1 and the big blind didn't call?Sounds fishy to me
bumpI think the main reason is that I did not re-pop before the flop is that he did raise the minimum from the one hole, which looked very strong. I had no idea what type of player he was. I didnt want to commit all of chips at that time, to be at best a coinflip, but more than likely dominated.I think I had I just called the turn and it came a blank on the river, I would of had the chance, to either get away from it if he pushed all in or pay off a smallish bet and still have right around 10000 to work with...
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I would have played the hand exactly as you did. Not knowing the player, you have to be suspicious of the min raise up front. Unless your opponent is really loose, the chances of him having a huge hand make it tough for you to push pre-flop. when the 10 hits you're going broke if he has the flush, period. your only other option is to call his small bet and hope the board pairs on the river. if i'm you, i push. and i am just like you. i somehow manage to be in a situation just like this right around the bubble. every time.

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The flop comes Ace high with two clubs. When it's checked to you, you have to pretty much commit to yourself to a decision to either bet huge on the flop if you feel he doesn't have an Ace, or shut down completely if you do UNLESS you improve (although he most likely was going to C/R you with his second best flush draw, and you would have been a 6-5 dog).SO when you check, you just have to shut down after and keep the pot small. When the third club hits on the turn, but it makes your trips, you improve but not enough to raise. You have to figure he now has you beat as you gave him a free card to hit his flush (or hit his monster AcKc draw), so I would have just called his 1200 turn bet with the intention of folding unless you boat (you are getting good enough implied odds to call because if you boat the river, you'll probably get most of his chips). It's a tough fold on the river when the other club hits, but at least you'll still have chips.
My thinking exactly, only you said it much better. Given that he didn't push harder, he has to slow down completely... a raise to 5k on the turn is an in-between, non-commital play that doesn't have much value.
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I was thinking Ace-rag of clubs. On the bubble, it doesn't take a lot to steal blinds, especially if they're low on chips. If he gets pushed in on, he throws the hand away and is still pretty much assured to make the money. It's pretty low-risk IMO. And suddenly on the turn it becomes very high-reward.

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#1) Value bet the flop. If youre raised, muck it. That will also allow you to check the turn when he calls the flop (maybe) and tries to "trap" you, giving you a shot at filling up on the river. This could also work to your advantage on the river, as his bet probably won't be all in, he'll want to get paid off, or if a 4th club hits, may even check w/out the A or make a value bet, in which case you'll have chips left.#2) Fold to his all in reraise. No way he risks you crippling him without a made hand. It has to be a flush or 3 A's. You have to muck this hand and wait for a better spot than maybe 10 outs, or maybe 1 out. All of my chips arent going in the pot with an M of less that 10 unless i'm ahead.

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