i need advice, i really ruined this......

[itwassuited 0]

t thanks for the advice I agree whole heartedly.The call and a sizable bet on the turn is certainly the best way to play it as it appears fishy. Depending on table image you probably would get a call from an A.

[wrto4556 0]

Calling the flop was good. Not betting the turn was bad. Not calling the all-in after he checked when an ace hit is bad....You ****** up. :-) There is no question about smooth calling the flop. You want him to catch up.

[JimD82 0]

Calling on the flop can be questioned and here's why. If I had 10-10 and I bet 20 dollars in this situation and got called a little alarm would go off in my head and I wouldn't think I had the best and or atleast be unsure and might give up the pot right there. If someone goes all-in over the top of me I might think thy're putting me on higher cards and making a move with an inferior pair. If they had Q's K's or A's they probably would've raised me before the flop. For the reasons above, I would probably call the all-in being that I'm invested. I would only call on the flop in this situation if the better was someone who played overly-agressive and I though he would put me all-in on the turn. If you slow play all your big hands, it takes the wind out of your sails when you bluff.

[wrto4556 0]

Calling on the flop can be questioned and here's why. If I had 10-10 and I bet 20 dollars in this situation and got called a little alarm would go off in my head and I wouldn't think I had the best and or atleast be unsure and might give up the pot right there. If someone goes all-in over the top of me I might think thy're putting me on higher cards and making a move with an inferior pair. If they had Q's K's or A's they probably would've raised me before the flop. For the reasons above, I would probably call the all-in being that I'm invested. I would only call on the flop in this situation if the better was someone who played overly-agressive and I though he would put me all-in on the turn. If you slow play all your big hands, it takes the wind out of your sails when you bluff.

But you have position! This is the perfect time to slowplay.

[itwassuited 0]

tilting has nothing to do with poker ability unfortunately. Stu Ungar is one of the biggest steamers ever and also one of the most talented.Im not saying im Stu Ungar, but im saying tilting and ability can not be equated. Its like saying im better than you at hockey because im good at fishing. You just cant comare the two. Comparing discipline and poker, now thats more like it.

[wrto4556 0]

He thinks you're stealing...so he's going to be aggressive with 77-TT. All hands you have completely dominated. There is .000000000001% chance you're going to get beat by those. If you raise, he could slow way down fearing A9 or K9. Now, had you hit a 'hidden' set, then a raise would be beautiful, because he would think...."wtf does he have? He's bluffing."

[wrto4556 0]

tilting has nothing to do with poker ability unfortunately. Stu Ungar is one of the biggest steamers ever and also one of the most talented.Im not saying im Stu Ungar, but im saying tilting and ability can not be equated. Its like saying im better than you at hockey because im good at fishing. You just cant comare the two. Comparing discipline and poker, now thats more like it.

"He who tilts less wins more."Not exactly the same, but controling emotions is part of the game.

[itwassuited 0]

i also said in the original post i thought him to be a tight player. I wouldnt put it on a tight player to make a reraise withh 77-TT out of position since hes certainly gonna get a call from the button. Thats why the A on the turn scared me, and that also makes the check i made on the turn even more terrible. I also must say if one of 3 aces left in the deck doesnt hit on the river im dragging a $180 dollar pot.

[itwassuited 0]

cuz hes pushing

[itwassuited 0]

the fold on the river could certainly be questioned, but my read on this guy was as a passive player. I didnt think he would attempt such a risky play. A simple misread.

[wrto4556 0]

why would the ace scare you?.....n/m you're talking about on the river.why would he fire a bet on the flop, and then check when the ace hit if he had AK? If he's a good player you can put him on a range of hands. AK-AQ, AA-77. Him checking the turn rules out AK-AQ, but makes you suspicious of AA. If he has AA, so be it.Should have bet the turn.Shouldn't have said what he had either, it would make a good arguement for calling the river.

[jayboogie 0]

Should have definitely called here. If the guy bet out with AK on the flop and was called, he'd most certainly bet the turn when the A hits. Pushing on the flop when you have the nuts essentially barring quads is terrible play. You want your opponent in the hand to extract all the chips out of him if possible. Even if he holds AA, KK, QQ, the odds of the 2 outs hitting is extremely, slim, I'll take the odds and if it hits, so be it. Anyways, the turn should have been bet, would have probably gotten a laydown on the turn from your opponent had you bet it. The only way he would have checked the turn there with an A is if he had Aces in the hole and wanted to slowplay, which is very unlikely considering another ace came on the river

[itwassuited 0]

but countless players in online play as written on in Brunsons supersystems fire out a bet everytime after they raise preflop. When i called the raise he could put me on a number of hands as i raised from the button when it was folded to me. So when the A hit he could of of easily been waiting for a checkraise.Betting on the turn is clearly the problem here as i lost out on a chance to gather important information. If i was called on the turn then he pushed on the river when the 2nd ace hit a fold would have been easy. i would have had suffient information

[wrto4556 0]

Should have definitely called here. If the guy bet out with AK on the flop and was called, he'd most certainly bet the turn when the A hits. Pushing on the flop when you have the nuts essentially barring quads is terrible play. You want your opponent in the hand to extract all the chips out of him if possible. Even if he holds AA, KK, QQ, the odds of the 2 outs hitting is extremely, slim, I'll take the odds and if it hits, so be it. Anyways, the turn should have been bet, would have probably gotten a laydown on the turn from your opponent had you bet it. The only way he would have checked the turn there with an A is if he had Aces in the hole and wanted to slowplay, which is very unlikely considering another ace came on the river

Let's get'em, boogie.

[itwassuited 0]

a wealth of good information in this post on good fundamental play

[Diabolical 0]

Rooookie, Roooookie!!!! we all make those mistakes in the beginning. I feel you should have challenged on the turn or.......................you, FOR SURE!, call him on the river. I didn't say raise. I can lay down a good hand, believe me. i've laid down alot of good hands when i know i'm beat, but this situation doesn't give you enough info to believe that he had the aces full. If you would have bet the turn, you would have gained some information and that is where your first mistake occured. Plus, lets say the flop came K, J,2 rainbow and you have A,J. You may be worried about someone having a king and are afraid to bet cause of this. Then a K hits the turn and now, another angle goes through your mind and it's this. If there are Two kings on the board, then the chances of my opponent having a K is reduced and I'll bet to find out where he is. :wink: 8) 8)

[itwassuited 0]

ive been playing for some time now and i really appreciate the Rookie Rookie rants. thanks. i wish i could turn 1 dollar into 1200. way to go on that.

[KingAustin 0]

A lot of you keep saying it's the nuts... pocket 9's beats his full house. In this highly unlikely case, the other guy could have been slow playing also.

[Diabolical 0]

well, like i said, we all have made those mistakes before. We can learn from them if we take the time to find out where we went wrong. And thats what your doing so you'll remember not to make a bad descision like you made. If you were offended then i opoligize. It was funny to me cause I've made the same mistakes. But if we were on the table together and i said the same thing, that would be another mistake from you because you shouldn't let a comment like that get to you. It could bring you to tilt, and thats what the table would want. Thus, losing more money and slipping further from becoming a great poker player. :wink:

[Bonesy 0]

Not to belabor the call on the river but I see this play so often, it must be +EV to call it at least at the lower levels. When there is weakness showed on the turn followed by a scare card on the river, people will make overly large bets to take the pot down right there. Obviously the misread messed you up. One thing tho that I would suggest. You mentioned that you were hoping for the Ace not to fall on the river which would make your decision more difficult. It just seems to me that you had convinced yourself that if an Ace fell then you were beaten hence your quick fold to his all in. Maybe you should have slowed down and analyzed the hand slower. You may have made the call.

[Suited_Up 2]

I skipped about half the posts... so if someone said this, then sorry...But obviously the turn was the mistake. But you are all saying to move all-in on the flop, or try and get lots of money out of this hand. Point is... He wouldn't have gotten any more out of this. He let him have a chance to bluff and the guy took it... but there was no way he was calling a turn bet or river bet with 10-10. So he's getting what's in the pot at that point anyway... the only mistake was letting the other person bluff at it.

[Smasharoo 0]

You played it fine.Unless you know the river is going to be an A, the turn check isn't a mistake. People that are saying it is are doing so because the river happened to bring another A. If the river brings a T and KQ pushes they'd tell you you're a creative genius. If you're ever going to slow-play looking for someone to make a 2nd best hand this was the time. Shit happens, good laydown on the end.

[Suited_Up 2]

You played it fine.Unless you know the river is going to be an A, the turn check isn't a mistake. People that are saying it is are doing so because the river happened to bring another A. If the river brings a T and KQ pushes they'd tell you you're a creative genius. If you're ever going to slow-play looking for someone to make a 2nd best hand this was the time. censored happens, good laydown on the end.

That's the truth... You can't really make this call either way. Just sucks that you knew what he had. Otherwise you wouldn't have tilted... keep that in mind.

[Guest]

you should have bet the turn after he checked it showing weakness. things mite have been different after that, i guarantee it. too many players slow play, its ridiculous, no offense but its true.