itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Im running well in a NL 100 6 max on PP when this hand comes up. I have about 115 I had brought 75 originally. Folded to me on the button, Hold JJ raise to 4, SB who i thought to be a tight player from what I had saw reraises to 10. I cold call from the button. Flop comesJ99 giving me top full house he bets 20 i just callturn A he checks and I checkriver another A he pushes for 55 i fold pretty quick.When i checked on the turn which I now regret I just closed my eyes and prayed another A wouldnt hit and ba-bang there it was. The guy later told me he had 10 10 and i was devastated. The story ends with me going on massive tilt holding AT flop top pair i bet 3 guys reraises to 6 and i make it 90. Im obviously beat guy obviously had AK and I steamed away 90 dollars. This is really frustrating for me since I certainly think im quite a good player as I generally run well and make money.......UNTIL i run into that one bad beat, or I make one bad play and i just start steaming away chips.I need help. Any advice would be welcome, in regards to the above hands or general poker advice. I think Im quite a good player but steaming has cost me only god knows how much money. Thanks. help me. Link to post Share on other sites
MilesZS 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Everyone is going to criticize your play, except me.My best advice? Go play some penny tables online. I know, this is the second time I've recommended it today, but I swear there is no better way to regain confidence in your game. Pretend it's big bucks, unless you lose then you can be like "haha pennies". Either that, or go drink a lot. It's St. Patty's. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'm pleased that when I play online, I can tell pretty quick if I'm playing on tilt. Usually I tilt the traditional way, from getting a horrendous beat by clearly inferior players. But sometimes... I play that poorly if I'm just in a bad mood from life, school, work, whatever.I've found the best cure is this: stop playing right now. Part of the tilt mechanism that KILLS me is this urge to keep playing and win it back. Just stop for the day, and go work out. Seriously, nothing helps a bad beat like physical exertion. I do 40 bench press reps and then run a mile. You'll feel infinitely better and you'll come back tomorrow confidently, I promise. Link to post Share on other sites
JimD82 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I think the hardest thing about online poker is the speed at which it's played. I need time to steam a little after a bad beat (in your case you got outplayed, not really a bad beat). I click the deal me out button, walk around a little and grab a drink and give myself a little talk in my head about why it's important to keep playing my game. Unless you're a very disciplined player, it's just in your best interest to take a little break. Otherwise you try to take shortcuts to get back what you lost. Also, I would rely on winning huge pots to make money. Pick up small pots so you have people covered. I do that at Omaha taking advantage of the overly cautious people as well as the calling stations when I make a hand. Also, play within your means so that a bad beat doesn't mean half your deposit. A lot of this just comes with experience. Alot of people can play well but it's discipline that sets winning players apart. Goodluck. Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 Yea, the worst thing about it is im better than these players then i always manage to do something ridiculous. My main problem is i have alot of trouble settling with a losing session. When im stuck in a particular game my brain seems to stop functioning and chaos ensues. Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 You flopped a full house and het bets 20 bucks and you only call. All my money would have went in right there. You misplayed this hand. Even when the turn came was another opportunity to have all your money in. Link to post Share on other sites
jbecks81 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Getting back to the play. I would have played it in a similar way. When you flop a big hand like that it's hard not to slowplay it. When the ace came on the turn I would have bet. He might then come over the top of you, then you can push. That would have sucked if you played it this way and he caught the ace on the river to take your stack. Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 Pushing on the flop would be a terrible play. In poker one of the most important skills is to extract as many chips as possible. My check on the turn may be questionable.I had a cinch hand. Why would i play it so fast? That doesnt make sense to me. However I would say my check on the turn was questionable looking back at things.Why scare people out with the nuts? Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 The Check on the Turn was certainly the problem.id say 99% of players cold call there after flopping the nuts. Link to post Share on other sites
jbecks81 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Yeah...I'm not sure about all-in on the flop. Not a good play. Link to post Share on other sites
MilesZS 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Yeah...I'm not sure about all-in on the flop. Not a good play.However, it's a more profitable play than the actual result.Just like going all-in preflop with AA is usually more profitable than slow playing it, even if you only gain the blinds.I guess it depends on if you want to play it "correctly" ... or text-book, or if you want to show a profit. Link to post Share on other sites
vyrusguy 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Either that, or go drink a lot. It's St. Patty's.HAHAHAHA!! hell yeah! Link to post Share on other sites
t 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 You flopped a full house and het bets 20 bucks and you only call. All my money would have went in right there. You misplayed this hand. Even when the turn came was another opportunity to have all your money in.Wow you must leave tons of money on the table. Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 im more or less worried on how to play the hand properly i suppose. u win some and u lose some but the tilting is truly an issue Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Pushing on the flop would be a terrible play. In poker one of the most important skills is to extract as many chips as possible. My check on the turn may be questionable. I had a cinch hand. Why would i play it so fast? That doesnt make sense to me. However I would say my check on the turn was questionable looking back at things. Why scare people out with the nuts?I definately would not slow play this hand if i get bet into.Your opponent could hold QQ KK AA AK or like he said 10 10. You want to extract chips? He put in 20 bucks. Total of 58 bucks in the pot if i am correct. The pot was big enough for you to go all in. and show a good win. Then the ace came and you got scared maybe he has pocket aces, so here is the reason why you don't slow play. Your hand ain't as strong as you think. Put your money in and save yourself heartache. Link to post Share on other sites
t 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 The Check on the Turn was certainly the problem.id say 99% of players cold call there after flopping the nuts.Yea checking the turn is bad. The turn is the money card actually for you. If your opponent has something like AK, AQ etc, a hand that you will normally re-raise with preflop against a button raiser just hit his hand. In the off-chance he has AA well you just pay it off and were unlucky to have these 2 monsters clash. If he didn't have either of these hands and had something like QQ, KK you are just giving a free card and wouldn't have called any bets on the river anyway. So you should have bet here on the turn. If he had TT he easily folds with 2 scary overcards out there. Link to post Share on other sites
jlgosse 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Playing for pennies when you don't have to is ridiculous for your game if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites
JimD82 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Why not push on the flop? He was invested 20 dollars and probably couldn't have folded if he had any kind of a hand. If he didn't have anything I doubt he would've bet again if you called a 20 dollar bet on the flop with no real draw out. If you put him on AK I could see letting him catch an ace or a king, but that raise preflop made me think pair. So why not have him commit all his chips there, good players can sniff out traps so why risk losing him? Not going all in on the turn was your biggest mistake though. Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 You flopped a full house and het bets 20 bucks and you only call. All my money would have went in right there. You misplayed this hand. Even when the turn came was another opportunity to have all your money in. T syaid:"Wow you must leave tons of money on the table.Damn straight when i have the best hand. There no time to be cute in this scenario. Put your money in. Specially when you get bet into!!!. Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 i agree the check on the turn was a terrible play and i kick myself (real hard) for that mistake since im better than that. The fact that the turn and river came running Aces is pretty unfortunate nonetheless. Link to post Share on other sites
t 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I definately would not slow play this hand if i get bet into.Your opponent could hold QQ KK AA AK or like he said 10 10. You want to extract chips? He put in 20 bucks. Total of 58 bucks in the pot if i am correct. The pot was big enough for you to go all in. and show a good win. Then the ace came and you got scared maybe he has pocket aces, so here is the reason why you don't slow play. Your hand ain't as strong as you think. Put your money in and save yourself heartache.The hand isn't as strong as we think? With 2 cards to go if he has AA he will win 8% of the time which equates to about 11-1 the same goes for KK,QQ. If he has a hand like AK he is drawing dead to runner runner A or K which is about 1% or 100-1. If you raise here your opponent will fold TT which is drawing dead. The only hands he can have unless he's on a stone cold bluff are either drawing dead or at most an 8% chance to win the hand. If you are unwilling to slowplay here in order to induce a possible follow up bet on 4th street you are leaving lots of money on the table. If you re-raise all in hands like AK, AQ, TT will fold. You don't want this. You want them to catch their A,K,Q or T and pay you off big time. This hand is all but a lock. If your opponent checks on 4th street you should bet making your bet look like a steal rather than a made hand. So instead of value betting on the turn I think you should make a big bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 The flop play was terrible. Not the turn. Just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
itwassuited 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Author Share Posted March 18, 2005 calling on the flop cant be questionedNuttage Link to post Share on other sites
tjohnsonnpu 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 No need to slow play on the flop when someone bets into your top full house. The problem is that you showed too much weakness on the 2nd best hand on the flop. It congradulate your lay down with the the aces on the turn and flop, but you woldn't have been forced to lay it down if you played your hand stronger in the beginning. The fact that you just pissed away the rest of your money shows that you are in fact not as good as you think you are. I would take some of these people's advice and play penny tables. Link to post Share on other sites
Markmadness 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 That is not even the nuts!!! The nuts would be pocket 99's Link to post Share on other sites
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