Re: Phil Ivey's Marketability

[turd ferguson 1]

Yup going with Royal on this one... I laughed way harder at the guy who said that in a parralel universe somewhere there's a forum with mostly black members who are joking about banning whites from poker to get rid of the wet dog smell...

That's because you're afraid to laugh at black people.

[The Czar 0]

Agreed. I think the reason Phil Ivey and Tiger Woods are very marketable has nothing to do with race. They are both considered the best in their respective proffession's (some could argue Phil is in the top group, Tiger is clearly the best). They are both young, handsome, public figures. And to go along with that, they both seem to be genuinely nice people...from a fan's perspective at least. Neither of them suffer from the Barry Bonds/Phil Hellmuth "greater than thou" syndrome.Perhaps I am naive to the fact that people, along with the corporations they run, look at race more than the factors I mentioned above. I'd like to think we are better than that as a nation.

I'd like to think that too, but I simply don't believe it. This nation is driven by $$, just ask the oil guys. Just ask Iraq. Just ask Syria, Israel, etc.

[Oneeydjaq 0]

sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)n. 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. b. A particular form of this activity. 2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively. 3. An active pastime; recreation. 4. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks. 5. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport. 6. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport. By definition I would say poker clearly would be considered a sport.ath·lete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thlt)n. A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.Whether poker players are athletes or not is debatable.

[kers2 0]

This redheaded stepchild of Turd's thread had potential... but fuckups turned it into a "poker is/isnt a sport" thread

[loogie 115]

2. An activity involving physical exertion.

You may want to mix in the occasional pushup.

[matt21sz 0]

I'd like to think that too, but I simply don't believe it. This nation is driven by $$, just ask the oil guys. Just ask Iraq. Just ask Syria, Israel, etc.

I agree that the nation is driven by money. But it is hard for me to think companies are "fearful" of investing in an African American when I see Tiger and his endorsements with Nike, Buick, Tag Heuer, etc. I simply don't see how a company could look at a Tiger or a Phil and think that their marketing dollars would be better spent elsewhere. I think they would be stupid to go elsewhere.

[Oneeydjaq 0]

You may want to mix in the occasional pushup.

Or practice your golf swing between hands. But I am sure if anyone who is flaming the physicality of poker were to play a 14 hour (or more) session they would feel how physically exhausting it is. Is it the same as running a marathon, obviously not, but that isn't the debate, you cannot say that a tomato isn't a fruit just because it commonly is mistaken for a vegetable.

[grbs1605 0]

I don't think Ivey has the engaging personality that most other marketed players do.

[SBriand 4]

Have you ever seen a professional bowler or bowled at a high level. Lets se you try throwing a 15lb ball at 25-30 mph with accuracy and spin.

My stepmother is a pro bowler. I still don't consider her an athlete. Just my opinion.

sport ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spôrt, sprt)n. 1. a. Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively. b. A particular form of this activity. 2. An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively. 3. An active pastime; recreation. 4. Mockery; jest: He made sport of his own looks. 5. An object of mockery, jest, or play: treated our interests as sport. 6. A joking mood or attitude: She made the remark in sport. By definition I would say poker clearly would be considered a sport.ath·lete ( P ) Pronunciation Key (thlt)n. A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.Whether poker players are athletes or not is debatable.

Well then I guess I am an athlete cause I play risk and monopoly as competitively as anyone else.

[The Czar 0]

I would pwn you at Risk. Just sayin'.

[Laffer 0]

Black consumers want to be marketed to by black people. They are very conscious of this.White consumers don't give a damn what color is the marketer.This leads to blacks having more marketability, since they can appeal to all of America as opposed to whites who do not appeal to black consumers.

[ajs510 122]

Black consumers want to be marketed to by black people. They are very conscious of this.White consumers don't give a damn what color is the marketer.This leads to blacks having more marketability, since they can appeal to all of America as opposed to whites who do not appeal to black consumers.

I'm not so sure I'd want a white guy trying to sell me hair extensions or sweet ribs either...

[Oneeydjaq 0]

I would pwn you at Risk. Just sayin'.

When is someone going to come out with a site for that. Risk, Stratego, Candyland, Chutes and Ladders, Monopoly, Clue, etc...nm i found it...http://boardgamecentral.com/games/

[Royal_Tour 0]

Making a stereotype about a race is racism.

which is exactly what you did in your thread.so.. where were u goin with this reply?

[turd ferguson 1]

which is exactly what you did in your thread.so.. where were u goin with this reply?

Right. The whole point of my post was to watch a bunch of uptight white people get all uncomfortable when racism is mentioned. Anyone who took my thread seriously is an idiot.

[blueodum 0]

If either of these players were not the best in their field, they would receive less marketing than people at a comparable level.Exhibit A: Paul Darden

[Royal_Tour 0]

That's because you're afraid to laugh at black people.

Its not that some people are afraid to laugh at a particular person's race (african americans)or even asian, indian etc..Its the fear of not knowing who will take offence to it.I work with several different races, Its mostly because i work near Toronto. very multicultural. And joking with them is very easy. joking to an open audience about a race or culture different than my own is considered ignorantNow they were light hearted cracks so no one took any offence, but the moment someone misreads what you wrote as a way to keep african americans seriously out of all casino's could lead to "iffy" debates, or posts.

[mrdannyg 274]

Black consumers want to be marketed to by black people. They are very conscious of this.White consumers don't give a damn what color is the marketer.This leads to blacks having more marketability, since they can appeal to all of America as opposed to whites who do not appeal to black consumers.

Ironically, your point is laffable. White consumers what white marketers as much, if not more, than anyone. To argue that it is not a significant issue for white people as well is ignorant, IMO.

[turd ferguson 1]

Its not that some people are afraid to laugh at a particular person's race (african americans)or even asian, indian etc..Its the fear of not knowing who will take offence to it.I work with several different races, Its mostly because i work near Toronto. very multicultural. And joking with them is very easy. joking to an open audience about a race or culture different than my own is considered ignorantNow they were light hearted cracks so no one took any offence, but the moment someone misreads what you wrote as a way to keep african americans seriously out of all casino's could lead to "iffy" debates, or posts.

So what you're saying is that you aren't afraid to laugh at other races behind their backs, but you keep it PC in public? Fuck that. I'm not going to go around worrying about who might take offense to my jokes. Anybody who takes themselves that seriously is a loser in my book. If black people can openly joke about white people then the reverse should be true. Bottom line. You want racial equality? I'm giving it to you.

[speedz99 145]

So what you're saying is that you aren't afraid to laugh at other races behind their backs, but you keep it PC in public? Fuck that. I'm not going to go around worrying about who might take offense to my jokes. Anybody who takes themselves that seriously is a loser in my book. If black people can openly joke about white people then the reverse should be true. Bottom line. You want racial equality? I'm giving it to you.

Speaking of...did you hear the latest joke about how white people are different from black people? I'll spare you the details, but suffice it to say...it was hilarious.

[mrdannyg 274]

Speaking of...did you hear the latest joke about how white people are different from black people? I'll spare you the details, but suffice it to say...it was hilarious.

I'm always afraid to type that phrase ever since my last fiasco with idioms. kudos to you on your bravery.

[turd ferguson 1]

Speaking of...did you hear the latest joke about how white people are different from black people? I'll spare you the details, but suffice it to say...it was hilarious.

Check out this new joke that I recently heard from my friend Darren (He's black).This is how black people drive- :leans back in seat with one hand on the wheel:This is how white people drive- :sits up straight with hands at ten and two o'clock:

[speedz99 145]

Check out this new joke that I recently heard from my friend Darren (He's black).This is how black people drive- :leans back in seat with one hand on the wheel:This is how white people drive- :sits up straight with hands at ten and two o'clock:

Good one. I recently heard a similar joke from a friend (also black).This is how black people drive- :leans back in seat with one hand on the wheel:This is how white people drive- :sits up straight with hands at ten and two o'clock:Wait a minute...

[jcpoker 0]

On day 1 of the Main Event, Rich Belsky from Cardplayer interviewed Lynette Chan (you can see the video clip on cardplayer) and asked her, "so are you one of liz lieu's proteges?" Lynette Chan said that she admired Liz's play and fashion sense, but had never discussed cards with Liz. The two aren't known to hang out and there are no other connections between the two other than them both being asian females. Is that a racist question?

[turd ferguson 1]

On day 1 of the Main Event, Rich Belsky from Cardplayer interviewed Lynette Chan (you can see the video clip on cardplayer) and asked her, "so are you one of liz lieu's proteges?" Lynette Chan said that she admired Liz's play and fashion sense, but had never discussed cards with Liz. The two aren't known to hang out and there are no other connections between the two other than them both being asian females. Is that a racist question?

You want me to give you your opinion?