Re: Phil Ivey's Marketability

[The Czar 0]

I agree with Turd's thread closing, but I must defend myself against an ignorant poster who referred to me as racist because I said Phil Ivey is more marketable because he is black. Here's the link to the previous conversation where Daniel Negreanu himself responded (and I quote):You've actually got it all completely backwards. The fact that Phil is young and black makes him 10 times more marketable than a white guy. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...black&st=40Just wanted to defend myself. I refuse to even mention the screen name of the moron. So yes, it is a fact. I'm guessing Daniel knows a little something about the business of poker endorsements.

[turd ferguson 1]

I agree with Turd's thread

Thanks for the support.

[deehi 0]

I agree with Turd's thread closing, but I must defend myself against an ignorant poster who referred to me as racist because I said Phil Ivey is more marketable because he is black. Here's the link to the previous conversation where Daniel Negreanu himself responded (and I quote):You've actually got it all completely backwards. The fact that Phil is young and black makes him 10 times more marketable than a white guy. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...black&st=40Just wanted to defend myself. I refuse to even mention the screen name of the moron. So yes, it is a fact. I'm guessing Daniel knows a little something about the business of poker endorsements.

Here's my take on things. There's nothing wrong with Madison Ave wanting to capitalize upon the marketability of an individual for reasons which may include the players race, age,etc. Since there aren't as many Blacks in poker, the success of Phil Ivey is something that advertisers can build upon. When Tiger Woods entered the pro areana in 1997, his success led to a whole new group of golfers who before that didn't care less abut golf. Its not racist to point that out. But, I would say anyone that says that Phil Ivey has gotten any attention at all only because he is black, doesnt have a clue. I would hope this thread doesnt turn into another thread for the closet rasicts.

[Royal_Tour 0]

I've gotta say, i wasnt that impressed with Turd's thread.i know its probably just a "lets see who says what" type of thread, but still.Not really funny, if you're gonna go racist u gotta go big or go home.check: The amazing racist

[keith crime 8]

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[SBriand 4]

The part that bothers me in that thread was the notion that Phil Ivey is an athlete cause he plays....poker.

[dEv~ 19]

[Royal_Tour 0]

The part that bothers me in that thread was the notion that Phil Ivey is an athlete cause he plays....poker.

The idea of a card game being a sport is laughable, but mentally, the 8 - 14 hour days for MTT's is exhausting.sooo.. just like.. umm.... baseball, it can be considered a sport

[The Czar 0]

I REALLY didn't want to turn this into a part two. I just wanted an intelligent convo related to the topic. My mistake for posting in general. I apologize.

[mrdannyg 274]

Ivey is less marketable than other pros, just like Woods is less marketable than other golfers. As a minority, you have to be at the absolute top (as they are) to receive widespread marketing. If either of these players were not the best in their field, they would receive less marketing than people at a comparable level. The simple fact is a lot of the demographic for those "sports" are people who would rather see a white face than a dark one. Marketers know that.

[turd ferguson 1]

I've gotta say, i wasnt that impressed with Turd's thread.i know its probably just a "lets see who says what" type of thread, but still.Not really funny, if you're gonna go racist u gotta go big or go home.check: The amazing racist

It's ok. Subtlety isn't your strong suit.

[mrdannyg 274]

Just wanted to defend myself. I refuse to even mention the screen name of the moron. So yes, it is a fact. I'm guessing Daniel knows a little something about the business of poker endorsements.

Very little actually.

I've gotta say, i wasnt that impressed with Turd's thread.I didn't start it, so it's definitely not that funny.

FYP?

[dEv~ 19]

Ivey is less marketable than other pros, just like Woods is less marketable than other golfers. As a minority, you have to be at the absolute top (as they are) to receive widespread marketing. If either of these players were not the best in their field, they would receive less marketing than people at a comparable level. The simple fact is a lot of the demographic for those "sports" are people who would rather see a white face than a dark one. Marketers know that.

Ya Tiger Woods isn't marketable, read the sig.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11961246

He is not only articulate, but also attractive, clean-cut and scandal-free. "Ultimately, it boils down to whether an athlete has charisma, believability and the ability to communicate," says David Carter, professor of sports business at the University of Southern California. "And Tiger Woods has all of these things."

[SBriand 4]

The idea of a card game being a sport is laughable, but mentally, the 8 - 14 hour days for MTT's is exhausting.sooo.. just like.. umm.... baseball, it can be considered a sport

So in that respect then bowlers are athletes as well even though they get fat and drink beer. I am not discounting the fact that mentally poker is exhausting. No question. But in baseball, which I have always been on the fence about, does have some athletic skill involved. You good at cranking 101mph fastballs? Can you throw a 101mph fastball. Sure right field is sitting there, but there are athletic positions.

[mrdannyg 274]

Ya Tiger Woods isn't marketable, read the sig.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11961246

Other than being African-American, Tiger Woods is extremely marketable. Since he is the best player in his field, he is very marketable, since he can be marketed not only to the general public as the best player in his field, but to other members of his minority, who will hopefully become interested in the sport.I did not deny any of that, and my point that if he was not the best player in his field, he would be less marketable than someone of comparable skill and other marketable qualities.Ivey is a different story, because he chooses to stay out of the public spotlight.

[Encicra 0]

if fishing is a sport then poker is too.

[ajs510 122]

if fishing is a sport then poker is too.

That's about as deep as it gets in Manitoba, isn't it?

[SAM_Hard8 50]

So in that respect then bowlers are athletes as well even though they get fat and drink beer. I am not discounting the fact that mentally poker is exhausting. No question. But in baseball, which I have always been on the fence about, does have some athletic skill involved. You good at cranking 101mph fastballs? Can you throw a 101mph fastball. Sure right field is sitting there, but there are athletic positions.

Have you ever seen a professional bowler or bowled at a high level. Lets se you try throwing a 15lb ball at 25-30 mph with accuracy and spin.

[turd ferguson 1]

Have you ever seen a professional bowler or bowled at a high level. Lets se you try throwing a 15lb ball at 25-30 mph with accuracy and spin.

Hmm. You must be fat.

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Hmm. You must be fat.

You know it baby!

[Royal_Tour 0]

FYP?

Naw, No FYP there. Its just the truth. Thats all. There isnt much u can say about such a topic and not be considered racist.Everyone is so fragile now a days that even a stereotype can get mixed up a racism.

[The Czar 0]

Naw, No FYP there. Its just the truth. Thats all. There isnt much u can say about such a topic and not be considered racist.Everyone is so fragile now a days that even a stereotype can get mixed up a racism.

Unfortunately, QFT.

[turd ferguson 1]

Everyone is so fragile now a days that even a stereotype can get mixed up a racism.

Making a stereotype about a race is racism.

[gadjet 11]

I've gotta say, i wasnt that impressed with Turd's thread.i know its probably just a "lets see who says what" type of thread, but still.Not really funny, if you're gonna go racist u gotta go big or go home.check: The amazing racist

Yup going with Royal on this one... I laughed way harder at the guy who said that in a parralel universe somewhere there's a forum with mostly black members who are joking about banning whites from poker to get rid of the wet dog smell...

[matt21sz 0]

Making a stereotype about a race is racism.

Agreed. I think the reason Phil Ivey and Tiger Woods are very marketable has nothing to do with race. They are both considered the best in their respective proffession's (some could argue Phil is in the top group, Tiger is clearly the best). They are both young, handsome, public figures. And to go along with that, they both seem to be genuinely nice people...from a fan's perspective at least. Neither of them suffer from the Barry Bonds/Phil Hellmuth "greater than thou" syndrome.Perhaps I am naive to the fact that people, along with the corporations they run, look at race more than the factors I mentioned above. I'd like to think we are better than that as a nation.