stevel999 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 A few comments:1. Go Daniel...I am certainly behind you. I am an Aussie and I notice Joe Hachem is still doing well...but I would prefer DN to win.2. Clearly the secret to DNs success is his preparation. A 21 hour poker session losing over a million less than 48 hours before the start to the main event.3. I just noticed the payout structure..OMG. The winner get $12 million. I find it incredulous that the winner of this event gets more than 50% more than the highest total tournament winnings..which is currently Hachem at $7,985,208 with Daniel not far behind.4. I notice Ted Forrest is right up there....scary thought for those who are competing. Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrelmonger 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 lol, DrawingDeadInDM...Only the first 2 sentences were in reply to your post specifically, the rest was a general statement to the people who have been trying to tell DN what to do. I think we are actually in complete agreement....i think...EDIT: I still mean every word of what I wrote, it just wasn't directed at you except the first 2 sentences. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 lol, DrawingDeadInDM...Only the first 2 sentences were in reply to your post specifically, the rest was a general statement to the people who have been trying to tell DN what to do. I think we are actually in complete agreement....i think...EDIT: I still mean every word of what I wrote, it just wasn't directed at you except the first 2 sentences.Allright, fair enough. My mistake, sir. Like I said, a little drunk, a little tired--plenty of room for error..heh.Take 'er easy. Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Meh..Guess I'm in the minority when I actually pay attention to the hands he busts on and try and learn from them. Que sera, sera..And what about the 50 hands before that? Maybe he donked off a large portion of his chips by making bad reads or misjudging a situation or didn't play aggressively enough overall - usually cardplayer doesn't write about that unless it is a spectacular hand - and because of that he went broke instead of just losing half his stack as a slight favourite or something. Or he wouldn't even have been so desperate to push with the hand he did. In my opinion, the hands we hear about are such a tiny fraction of the ahnds actually played, that judging a players' performance by these few hands is misleading. Link to post Share on other sites
blazerp0410 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 according to CP he pushed after the flop, not turn. there's no reason to do that unless you are SURE you can push your opponent off of a big hand, which obviously didn't happen. no reason to risk a race there if your opponent is an amateur and might call with a pair.You do know that DN is the favorite after the flop right? Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 And what about the 50 hands before that? Maybe he donked off a large portion of his chips by making bad reads or misjudging a situation or didn't play aggressively enough overall - usually cardplayer doesn't write about that unless it is a spectacular hand - and because of that he went broke instead of just losing half his stack as a slight favourite or something. Or he wouldn't even have been so desperate to push with the hand he did. In my opinion, the hands we hear about are such a tiny fraction of the ahnds actually played, that judging a players' performance by these few hands is misleading.You read his blog, right?After he busts from a tournament, he usually posts two to three key hands. Yes, you're right. I can not glean with certainty how well he's played an entire tournament from one, two, three or four hands. When he's consistently busting when he's flopping 12-17 outs, that's just bad luck, not bad play.I can't remember a time I looked at one of his bustout hands and said, "Wow, that's awful," or even, "Eh..that's pretty marginal."I'm under the assumption that Daniel Negreanu rarely enters a tournament and makes glaring mistake after glaring mistake. That is why, I can say with a good peace of mind, that he's just as good now as he was then--it's simply the cards are swinging back his way. Last year, the 7c wasn't falling on the turn to give him his flush in a monster pot before the end of Day 2. See, my point? Link to post Share on other sites
jbage007 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I think it's hilarious that someone "caught" Daniel ...READING THIS FORUM....WHEN HE SHOULD BE SLEEEEEEPING Link to post Share on other sites
rogerwilco 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Last year, the 7c wasn't falling on the turn to give him his flush in a monster pot before the end of Day 2. See, my point?Yep I do.And I agree with you anyway which makes this discussion kind of weird. Link to post Share on other sites
DrawingDeadInDM 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yep I do.And I agree with you anyway which makes this discussion kind of weird.Heh...that's probably on my end. Like I said, kinda drunk, kinda tired..Well then, GG. Link to post Share on other sites
jbage007 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 the only "luck" that's relevant in poker is the bad kindI just finished reading an amazing interview with Hashem--he may be next to join my growing list of poker idols--he makes sooooo much sense it's scary ('cuz basically we think alike, ok? except he's got waaaay more $$$)so you know how the whole thing in poker is "get your money in with the best hand" right??well so Hashem is actually saying, and this is a quote: "I actuallly have a phobia about getting my money in with the best hand."See? When something goes wrong and you have made the "correct" play, it's because of BAD luck. When your aces get cracked by trip 4's on the river, that kind of thing.Hashem's insight is that he would much rather know he's getting it in with the best hand MADE.Big diff. Little words, BIG diff. Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrelmonger 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I think it's hilarious that someone "caught" Daniel ...READING THIS FORUM....WHEN HE SHOULD BE SLEEEEEEPING tongue.gifWhy should he be sleeping? He doesn't play again until friday. How about we let DN decide how late he wants to stay up. I think he can handle the decision.For all you know he might of been having trouble sleeping and decided to come read some of your posts to help him get back to sleep... Link to post Share on other sites
swiftD777 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Why should he be sleeping? He doesn't play again until friday. How about we let DN decide how late he wants to stay up. I think he can handle the decision.For all you know he might of been having trouble sleeping and decided to come read some of your posts to help him get back to sleep...I agree, DN can sleep when he wants.But, why doesn't he have to play until Friday? I think taking day 3 of would be a mistake, he probably won't have too many chips left come day 4. Link to post Share on other sites
dodgygeordie 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Why should he be sleeping? He doesn't play again until friday. How about we let DN decide how late he wants to stay up. I think he can handle the decision.For all you know he might of been having trouble sleeping and decided to come read some of your posts to help him get back to sleep...Err, I kind of hope he's going to rock up at noon to play the day 3...jbage007, have a you a link to the Hachem article?Lol, swift by name... Link to post Share on other sites
SeanPhillippi 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I agree, DN can sleep when he wants.But, why doesn't he have to play until Friday? I think taking day 3 of would be a mistake, he probably won't have too many chips left come day 4.I could say a million things off of this post, but I'll keep it simple with just the facts.Thursday is a day off for the ME. Nobody is playing. Day 3 is not UNTIL Friday. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Championship Dmitri Nobles$ 553,000Down Daniel Pelletier$ 335,000Up Daniel Negreanu$ 331,000UpGO DANIEL!!! Link to post Share on other sites
dodgygeordie 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 I could say a million things off of this post, but I'll keep it simple with just the facts.Thursday is a day off for the ME. Nobody is playing. Day 3 is not UNTIL Friday.It seems you're right, but stupid old us were taking our information from Cardplayer.com, the official source of WSOP news, and I quote (emphasis added):Wed Aug 02 23:53:00 PDT 2006Play Ends for the NightAbout 600 players remain in day 2B. Play will resume tomorrow at noon with all remaining players from days 2A and 2B condensing together for day 3.They are soooo good at this! Link to post Share on other sites
Dratj 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 the only "luck" that's relevant in poker is the bad kindI just finished reading an amazing interview with Hashem--he may be next to join my growing list of poker idols--he makes sooooo much sense it's scary ('cuz basically we think alike, ok? except he's got waaaay more $$$)so you know how the whole thing in poker is "get your money in with the best hand" right??well so Hashem is actually saying, and this is a quote: "I actuallly have a phobia about getting my money in with the best hand."See? When something goes wrong and you have made the "correct" play, it's because of BAD luck. When your aces get cracked by trip 4's on the river, that kind of thing.Hashem's insight is that he would much rather know he's getting it in with the best hand MADE.Big diff. Little words, BIG diff.I don't get what you are saying, rockets is a made hand. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,757 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 3rd in chips... you're so beautiful Daniel... nh. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 i assume DN made a terrible read on his opponent, cuz otherwise semibluffing his entire tourney for what was a relatively small pot is an undefendable DONK play.Yeah, pushing when you most likely have 14 or 15 outs on the flop is a horrible play.You know what's funny? Now that DN's hitting hands again, like AxKc on a 9c8c6c push, everyone thinks he's the greatest player in the world--and he may very well be...but, when those hands weren't hitting, and he had that tough tourney streak, he was a donk, playing too much golf, he wasn't focused and he lost his touch.Interesting, really...If I didn't know better, I'd have thought there was substantial variance in tournament poker. And maybe, just maybe, dude's been a good player the whole time, and maybe that variance is swinging back the other way now.Come on, he flat out sucked in that Horse tournament. Don't even know why he'd invest 50k if he can't hit a hand. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 nm.. Im idiot Link to post Share on other sites
Derswick 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Great goind DN. I knew my stratagy would work. I said he needed to get out on the course and shoot the best round of his life and the poker thing would come together. What two Vblogs ago he told us he shoot a 96, best round of his like and looknow he is 6th overall. And heading to the top! Play more golf Danie and get ready,I'm looking forward to our round ! Link to post Share on other sites
RedFalcon 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Looks like another great table to start the day with for DN:Sargon Ruya $125,400 Walt Schafer $134,700 Christine Wilson $122,200 Zoltan Hajdu $83,100 Mikael Thuritz $114,800 Jeremy Scheeringa $112,500 James Johnson $56,700 Fred goldberg $140,900 Daniel Negreanu $331,000 Jason Fields $71,800 Link to post Share on other sites
ksean9999 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 A few comments:1. Go Daniel...I am certainly behind you. I am an Aussie and I notice Joe Hachem is still doing well...but I would prefer DN to win.2. Clearly the secret to DNs success is his preparation. A 21 hour poker session losing over a million less than 48 hours before the start to the main event.3. I just noticed the payout structure..OMG. The winner get $12 million. I find it incredulous that the winner of this event gets more than 50% more than the highest total tournament winnings..which is currently Hachem at $7,985,208 with Daniel not far behind.4. I notice Ted Forrest is right up there....scary thought for those who are competing.losing a million in 21 hours? did i miss something here? Link to post Share on other sites
gilbertology 0 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Good luck in day 3! Link to post Share on other sites
crowTrobot 2 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 it's funny that they'll be in the money half way through "day 3" of a 9 day tourney Link to post Share on other sites
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