Bush Administration Official Says 911 Is "inside Job"

[Spademan 94]

OK, skipping over a lot of meaningless arguments... I think anyone with any bit of common sense can realize that there is no WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that a Boeing 767 hit the Pentagon.No Friekin' Way.If anyone disagrees, I'd be happy to argue my position.

I doubt the WITNESSESS would agree with you.Argue with them.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I doubt the WITNESSESS would agree with you.Argue with them.

strangely, there's witnesses that saw a small commuter jet, a boeing767, a 'missile'.....The only witness i need to consult, really, is the 4 video's from the camera's pointed at the pentagon that would show what happened.Oh wait.... those were confiscated by the FBI for reasons unknown.

[gilbertology 0]

In V for Vendetta the government did it, so maybe they did it here too.

[The Nuts 0]

Please. These are the same people who said that a missile hit the Pentagon, not an airplane.Some site had some video footage of it. If you look really close, you can actually see the tail end of the plane. Of course the existence of airplane wreckage such as engine part and seating would be great evidence of a missile hitting the Pentagon.

[Spademan 94]

The only witness i need to consult, really, is the 4 video's from the camera's pointed at the pentagon that would show what happened.Oh wait.... those were confiscated by the FBI for reasons unknown.

Oh wait, I've seen some "video".Strange that you think a security camera, you know, those camera's that are for security and not for Hollywood high budget films are going to catch more than a few frames of an object moving as fast as a plane.Oh wait, logic isn't your strong suit.

[gilbertology 0]

I happened to be walking by the Pentagon when we were hit, and all I can say is it was definitely aliens. Like in Independence Day. They took out the part of the Pentagon that had a secret chamber where one of their alien race was being pokered and prodded.

[timwakefield 68]

OK, skipping over a lot of meaningless arguments... I think anyone with any bit of common sense can realize that there is no WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH that a Boeing 767 hit the Pentagon.No Friekin' Way.If anyone disagrees, I'd be happy to argue my position.

I already had a long discussion about this in this thread, and I don't have the energy to think about it all again. I'll make your life easy though and just paste my replies about the plane hitting the Pentagon. Why is it surprising that a plane traveling hundreds of miles per hour and loaded with explosive fuel would, upon striking a solid object, explode and burn up?Oh wait, it's not.Why should the wings make a specific mark? The entire airplane itself left a mark, a huge, explosive mark. Please explain how the wings should have left their own specific mark on the building, a mark which would be separate and discernable from the smoking crater that the explosion created.[talking about the Loose Change video]The PentagonI didn't find any of the evidence he presented convincing in the least. He showed that the plane ripped polls out of the ground....so what? It was RIGHT before impact, and there's no reason to think that a 747 could not have enough force to do that without crashing.The hole in the building: it looks plenty big to me. You can find pictures of it, and the hole is exactly big enough for a jet plane, minus wings, to have created it. The wings, of course, broke off and were exploded/shredded, which is why they weren't sitting intact outside the building.The narrator asks, was it a coincidence that this part of the building was recently reinforced? YES. Is it really that hard to believe that a very minor coincidence like that could occur? Same with the fact that Rummy's office was on the opposite side of the Pentagon, pure coincidence.The missing security tapes: well why is it surprising that the FBI wants to see these tapes? Obviously they seized them....that's the only way they could see them. As for why they haven't been released, you got me, but that certainly doesn't prove that 9/11 was a vast conspiracy.

[princeof56k 0]

I saw this on yahoo news just now. Probably old, but I'll post the link anyways.http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060806/ap_on_...11_conspiracies

The organization says publicity over Barrett's case has helped boost membership to about 75 academics. They are a tiny minority of the 1 million part- and full-time faculty nationwide, and some have no university affiliation. Most aren't experts in relevant fields. But some are well educated, with degrees from elite universities such as Princeton and Stanford and jobs at schools including Rice, Indiana and the University of Texas.

I think thats important. Examples from the same article:

"Things are happening," said co-founder James Fetzer, a retired philosophy professor at the University of Minnesota Duluth, who maintains, among other claims, that some of the hijackers are still alive. "We're going to continue to do this. Our role is to establish what really happened on 9/11."Daniel Orr, a Princeton Ph.D. and widely published retired economics chair at the University of Illinois, said he knew instantly from watching the towers fall that they had been blown apart by explosives. He was reminded of watching an old housing project being destroyed in St. Louis.David Gabbard, an East Carolina education professor, acknowledges this isn't his field, but says "I'm smart enough to know ... that fire from airplanes can't melt steel."

Just because they have a PhD doenst mean they know everything. Most PhDs are highly specialized. A guy with a technical Bachelors degree would be more qualified than those three. And 75 "academics" is a very small number. The number of wackos in academia is easily more than that.

[Mattnxtc 0]

The missing security tapes: well why is it surprising that the FBI wants to see these tapes? Obviously they seized them....that's the only way they could see them. As for why they haven't been released, you got me, but that certainly doesn't prove that 9/11 was a vast conspiracy.

I think this could all be cleared up if the govt would release the multiple video tapes that filmed the crash. We have all seen video of the other planes hitting so why have we not been shown the pentagon? They release like 5 frames that are blurred and obscure. One thing i do think is interesting is that the pentagon almost certianly has high tech film of this. If you are a building that houses some of the highest ranking members in the security forces of the US govt. I honestly dont think it was a boeing but all they need to do is release the video and they hush this whole conspiracy theory. Its kinda like the whole JFK stuff..they hid the video until later and now everybody has conspiraciesHonestly though...those engines would probably be stronger than the front of the plane and i would have expected to see damage in the side of the wall from those hitting the walls

[sdnuol 0]

this is all a bunch of brocolli

[Wingmaster05 0]

I already had a long discussion about this in this thread, and I don't have the energy to think about it all again. I'll make your life easy though and just paste my replies about the plane hitting the Pentagon. Why is it surprising that a plane traveling hundreds of miles per hour and loaded with explosive fuel would, upon striking a solid object, explode and burn up?Oh wait, it's not.Why should the wings make a specific mark? The planes that hit the World Trade center made plenty big marks. The WTC manager said that he definitely thought the buildings could withstand one 707 impact, and probably multiple impacts due it's weighting techiniques.The entire airplane itself left a mark, a huge, explosive mark. Please explain how the wings should have left their own specific mark on the building, a mark which would be separate and discernable from the smoking crater that the explosion created.The PentagonI didn't find any of the evidence he presented convincing in the least. He showed that the plane ripped polls out of the ground....so what? It was RIGHT before impact, and there's no reason to think that a 747 could not have enough force to do that without crashing.Yeah, no clue what he was trying to say about the poles. It's dumb, i got lost there too.The hole in the building: it looks plenty big to me. You can find pictures of it, and the hole is exactly big enough for a jet plane, minus wings, to have created it. The wings, of course, broke off and were exploded/shredded, which is why they weren't sitting intact outside the building.It's kind of strange you think the Pentagon is the official stories strong point, most believe it's pretty weak. Pentagon researchPentagon researchThe narrator asks, was it a coincidence that this part of the building was recently reinforced? YES. Is it really that hard to believe that a very minor coincidence like that could occur? Same with the fact that Rummy's office was on the opposite side of the Pentagon, pure coincidence.The point was that only one side of the Pentagon was redone to better withstand a PLANE ATTACK. Why just one side? Save money and hope someone who is attacking you hit's your reinforced facade? and hani hanjour, who was a pathetic pilot, pulls a move such as thisthat made FAA officials believe it was a military pilot. Now why would he go out of his way to strike the only side of the Pentagon that was built up to better mitigate the effects of a plane crash? Unless, of course, the goal isn't to do as much damage as possible, but rahter make it appear like a devastating attack.The missing security tapes: well why is it surprising that the FBI wants to see these tapes? Obviously they seized them....that's the only way they could see them. As for why they haven't been released, you got me, but that certainly doesn't prove that 9/11 was a vast conspiracy.No, but according to some large polls (zogby for one), almost half of Americans think the govt at the very least, let 911 happen. Don't you think you would want to quell this mass dissidence of an event as massive as 911? So they announce the release of the Pentagon security footage that will prove a 757 hit the Pentagon. Everyone was pumped, the conspiracy was over. But once it was released, even Bill O'Reilly said he didn't see it! And it wasn't so much that the seized them, I can understand that they want to investigate (or at least they should want to, in theory. Clearly they don't.) the matter. But agents went around the block within minutes. Why so fast? And if they contain no real footage of the crash, why not show them, or at least give them back to who they belong?

[rsmbox 1]

And if they contain no real footage of the crash, why not show them, or at least give them back to who they belong? my guess is that they belong to the U.S. Government

[sdnuol 0]

my guess is that they belong to the U.S. Government

doesnt everything?

[pockets 0]

I happened to be walking by the Pentagon when we were hit, and all I can say is it was definitely aliens. Like in Independence Day. They took out the part of the Pentagon that had a secret chamber where one of their alien race was being pokered and prodded.

You weren't supposed to tell them that!Now we have to kill more people to cover this mess up!God, will the horrors never cease?Oh, and in the non-sarcastic part of my response:The Pentagon was made out of concrete. The WTC towers were not. It is ridiculous, ignorant, and stupid to compare their reactions to high-velocity collisions and say that something is funny because the wings did not make an impact on the Pentagon while they did make a faint impact on the WTC towers.This whole thread is a trainwreck. I wish I could look away, but I just can't.

[rsmbox 1]

This whole thread is a trainwreck. I wish I could look away, but I just can't.

[Wingmaster05 0]

You weren't supposed to tell them that!Now we have to kill more people to cover this mess up!God, will the horrors never cease?Oh, and in the non-sarcastic part of my response:The Pentagon was made out of concrete. The WTC towers were not. ...and ipso facto, concrete is stronger than steel? huh? in dealing with impacts, i believe steel is stronger.Either way, the first six inches of the Pentagon wall is soft limestone. The reinforced concrete is on the inside. It is ridiculous, ignorant, and stupid to compare their reactions to high-velocity collisions and say that something is funny because the wings did not make an impact on the Pentagon while they did make a faint impact on the WTC towers.because of the reason above?Also, we probably can always fight over what hit the pentagon. The bigger question is HOW could they let it happen? They knew it was coming and let it go.This whole thread is a trainwreck. I wish I could look away, but I just can't.

NORAD releases tapes

I doubt the WITNESSESS would agree with you.Argue with them.

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[LongLiveYorke 38]

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Wait, does your posting this in some way imply that you think it supports your argument that a plane didn't hit the Pentagon? Just wondering.I'm not sure what that video in the second link that you provided was trying to prove, but I could clearly see that it was an American Airlines jet. There's no way that I would get that and a missile or whatever you believe it really was confused.

[dms26 3]

ive seen loose changethe only part i believe is pretty messed up is the pentagon, good evidence therebut its just hard to believe, and i would rather just believe the "lies" on this one

I haven't seen it, can't watch any of these links at work.What does it say about the Pentagon, that it was hit by a missile? If so, there is someone on FCP who witnessed the plane crashing into the Pentagon.

[Wingmaster05 0]

I haven't seen it, can't watch any of these links at work.What does it say about the Pentagon, that it was hit by a missile? If so, there is someone on FCP who witnessed the plane crashing into the Pentagon.

Nearly everyone is convinced there isn't the evidence to prove flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Most of the research done on the Pentagon is finding that a plane was the most likely object to hit the Pentagon, but no way it was flight 77. Loose change thinks a missile, or a A3 skywarrior (which appears like a small, commuter jet).

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I watched half this video, and read none of the respondses in this thread. If the respondses don't say "the guy in this video is a low level, know nothing peon," then you're just ****ing stupid. I can't believe how many morons believe in the loose change conspiracy. The idea that this mook's crazed opinion should hold any weight at all is absurd. when I saw the title of the thread, i was thinking " oh ****, there must be a whistle blower, deep inside the cabinent or something. But no, this guy knows nothing, has no evidence, just more crazed speculation. He does have a mighty fine pedastache, however.

Nearly everyone is convinced there isn't the evidence to prove flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Most of the research done on the Pentagon is finding that a plane was the most likely object to hit the Pentagon, but no way it was flight 77. Loose change thinks a missile, or a A3 skywarrior (which appears like a small, commuter jet).

If by "nearly everyone" you mean crazed nutjobs, then yes.

[Wingmaster05 0]

I watched half this video, and read none of the respondses in this thread. If the respondses don't say "the guy in this video is a low level, know nothing peon," then you're just ****ing stupid. I can't believe how many morons believe in the loose change conspiracy. The idea that this mook's crazed opinion should hold any weight at all is absurd. when I saw the title of the thread, i was thinking " oh ****, there must be a whistle blower, deep inside the cabinent or something. But no, this guy knows nothing, has no evidence, just more crazed speculation. He does have a mighty fine pedastache, however.If by "nearly everyone" you mean crazed nutjobs, then yes.

David Shayler, anyone?Shayler, pt 2guy left British intelligence because he discovered that today's governments, namely his own british govt, use events such as 911 completely to their advantage (he is 100 % govt complicity, just that he thinks they "let it happen").Richard Andrew Grove is another whistleblower, not "high up there" in ranks, but saw the deception through the economic aspects of it, which he tried to acknowledge those above him who eventually fired his behind for getting too close.(transcript here)

[brvheart 1,759]

Can we please let this stupid thread die?

[Golden 2]

Can we please let this stupid thread die?

oh boy.... I feel a wingmaster vs. brvheart war coming....

[brvheart 1,759]

oh boy.... I feel a wingmaster vs. brvheart war coming....

It's going to be pretty one sided.... I'm out. Because I totally believe the US government along with like 10,000 employees all set up 9/11 with the terrorists because we wanted all this cheap gas we have right now. It's such a good thing that everyone has kept quiet so that the lie can continue. DEATH TO AMERICA!!! I'm movin' to Canada.

[BeaverStyle 1]

I'm movin' to Canada.

All my liberal friends said this when Bush was elected prez. Meh.I say Meh.