Bush Administration Official Says 911 Is "inside Job"

[SilentSnow 1]

i dont know if someone has already posted this. they probably have. but at least it's not about greg raymer.http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

David Shayler, anyone?Shayler, pt 2guy left British intelligence because he discovered that today's governments, namely his own british govt, use events such as 911 completely to their advantage (he is 100 % govt complicity, just that he thinks they "let it happen").Richard Andrew Grove is another whistleblower, not "high up there" in ranks, but saw the deception through the economic aspects of it, which he tried to acknowledge those above him who eventually fired his behind for getting too close.(transcript here)

No fuking **** the government uses it to their advaqntage. Taking advantage of an event is alot different than orchestrating an event.

[Wingmaster05 0]

No fuking **** the government uses it to their advaqntage. Taking advantage of an event is alot different than orchestrating an event.

Knowing that 911 was going to go down and PURPOSELY letting it happen is on the same page as orcestrating it yourself. Really, it's only one step away. How can you not be upset if you realized they knew it was going to happen and they did nothing? Doesn't that enrage you?And you wanted whistleblowers, yes?

[SAM_Hard8 50]

Why is this thread still alive? We are not going to change these idiots minds. By definition they are clueless. Please let it die.

[insano 0]

Knowing that 911 was going to go down and PURPOSELY letting it happen is on the same page as orcestrating it yourself. Really, it's only one step away. How can you not be upset if you realized they knew it was going to happen and they did nothing? Doesn't that enrage you?And you wanted whistleblowers, yes?

Hey wingnut, let it go.

[Jeepster80125 0]

Why is this thread still alive? We are not going to change these idiots minds. By definition they are clueless. Please let it die.

Hey wingnut, let it go.

[Wingmaster05 0]

Sibel Edmonds, Behfooz, John Oneil, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Cowleen Rowley, Randy Glass, etc...and that's just from the FBI.Lt Col Anthony Shaffer , Navy Captain Scott PhillpottJames D. Smith, Major Eric Kleinsmith from top secret Pentagon Able Danger projectKaren Kwiatkowski and April Glass from the Pentagon in generalWe have so many 9/11 families, too many to name. Bill Doyle of course being one of the most vocal. They are making a movie, as posted earlier, begging people to look into 911. ALL of them believe either they let it happen on purpose, or made it happen on purpose.----------

[Jeepster80125 0]

Sibel Edmonds, Behfooz, John Oneil, Harry Samit, Robert Wright, Cowleen Rowley, Randy Glass, etc...and that's just from the FBI.Lt Col Anthony Shaffer , Navy Captain Scott PhillpottJames D. Smith, Major Eric Kleinsmith from top secret Pentagon Able Danger projectKaren Kwiatkowski and April Glass from the Pentagon in generalWe have so many 9/11 families, too many to name. Bill Doyle of course being one of the most vocal. They are making a movie, as posted earlier, begging people to look into 911. ALL of them believe either they let it happen on purpose, or made it happen on purpose.----------

You know what? You have convinced me. I no longer believe that terrorists hijacked planes. I submit the following video as PROOF of what really happened.It was aliens. http://www.thatvideosite.com/view/787.htmlThere is just as much proof backing my conspiracy theory as there is yours. Submitting names of people who think the same way you do doesn't go very far in changing people's opinions. Like Tommy Lee Jones said, (paraphrasing) "A person can be smart, but people are stupid."

[UncleHoot 0]

Hurricane Katrina was an inside job, too:http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/20...al-katrina.htmlAnd the government is covering up the Kennedy assisination, because Johnson was behind it.And we never really landed on the moon.Aliens are running the government.Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

[Jeepster80125 0]

Hurricane Katrina was an inside job, too:http://www.enterprisemission.com/weblog/20...al-katrina.htmlAnd the government is covering up the Kennedy assisination, because Johnson was behind it.And we never really landed on the moon.Aliens are running the government.Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!

I just used the software that I got from Tritz to predict Wingmaster05's next idiotic conspiracy theory. You've heard about BP shutting down their pipeline from Prudhoe Bay, right? Just you wait, the next thing we will hear will be Wingnut complaining that this is just a conspiracy to increase the price of gas.Remember you heard it here first, thanks to Tritz.

[MasterLJ 0]

A PhD political science prof once made the following statement, and it has held since..."The shear volume of people with the ability to keep quiet in D.C. to perpetrate any serious conspiracy, is astounding."There are scores and scores of 20-somethings that would almost have to privy to any information regarding a scandal due to the nature of internships etc.If a President cannot steal/purge documents or get a BJ in his own office, there is no way a government could pull off a 9/11 conspiracy without someone yapping.

[mk 11]

they want us to believe that two saudis who trained on cessnas in orlando flew a jumbo jet in a perfect 360 degree spiral over patrolled airspace and got the plane so low and so flat that it clipped the telephone wires across the street from the pentagon? PSHAAAAA.

[SilentSnow 1]

i dont want to encourage this too much, but if someone wants to do a pollon the 8 levels of conspiracy id be curious.i posted this on another site after someone presented large amounts of evidence that some stocks had been manipulated before 911."but here is the thing. they only prove that someone knew 911 was going tohappen in advance(assuming they are all accurate, which im not going to research because i pretty much believe them)here are some levels of "conspiracy" for 911.1.the terrorists and a few very well connected nongovernment people know911 will happen, but dont try to stop it.2.a few low level govt officials and spy agencies know it is possible to happen, but dont seriously try to stop it.3.knowledge of the possibility of 911 at high govt levels, but decide notworth actively taking prevention steps.4.probable knowledge 911 will happen, but figure too hard to stop.5.govt knows 911 will almost definitely happen, but do nothing to stop for political reasons.6.govt knows and actively encourages 911 by discouraging prevention steps.7.govt actually helps the terrorists plan and execute 911, but exactly as most think. ie, 4 hijacked planes.8.govt actively plans terrorist attack, but since they need it to succeed, theyimprove upon it by wiring the WTC with explosives in an incredibly intricate manner, having standby missiles in case there is any problem with the planes, deciding to kidnap flight 93(for no apparent reason other than theyre evil?), etc, etc, etc.i actually agree that there is enough evidence to support 1, and to entertain the possibility of level 2.but the problem with your argument is that so far you have only really demonstrated level 1. you still have 7 steps to go before you convince us that what you are saying is true. and i should add that of these 8 levels, level 8 is by far the least plausible explanation. even if you manage to get to level 7, level 8 is a gigantic leap of probability."i figure if the topic wont die, we might as well try to clarify the debate.

[princeof56k 0]

The "government knew about it but did nothing" argument really bugs me. If you really think about it, you'll find that argument doesnt really make any sense. Mainly because we would still be in the situation we are in now even if the Bush administration had stopped the attacks.Think about it. You're in the Bush adminiastration (who has made it known they wanted Sadam out) and then you find out some terrorists are going to take down the WTC with some jets. You options are:1. Let it happen. The death and carnage left by the destruction will scare everyone in to giving us everything we want which includes a war in Iraq. Sure thousands of people may die and it might send the NY economy in the toilet, but overall we win here. We may also give confidence to al-Queda, but I think we can handle them. And if Bin Laden isnt in Iraq, that might mess up our plans just a little bit, but it wont be that bad. If someone ever finds out we let it happen, then we're screwed for life, but I betting they'll never figure it out.2. Stop it from happening. We (the entire government) will look like heros in the eyes of everyone. This would be the second time Bin Laden tried this and we stopped him again. We showed al-Queda (and everyone else) they have no chance. And since we were right about this, we can make up any story we want to fight Iraq. Who wouldnt believe us after we just saved thousands of people and stopped the most deadly plot ever against the US? And if we end up being wrong about Iraq it wont be big deal. We just trying to protect everyone just like 9/11. We're allowed a mulligan every now and then. We're practically walking on water at this point.Clearly option 2 is better. Nothing but upside there, and the Bush administration (and even their friends in Big Oil) still get everything they want. No risk. And most of the events in the aftermath would probably still occur (except for maybe Afganistan which the administration never wanted in the first place). So why wouldnt they stop it?

[Jeepster80125 0]

i dont want to encourage this too much, but if someone wants to do a pollon the 8 levels of conspiracy id be curious.i posted this on another site after someone presented large amounts of evidence that some stocks had been manipulated before 911."but here is the thing. they only prove that someone knew 911 was going tohappen in advance(assuming they are all accurate, which im not going to research because i pretty much believe them)here are some levels of "conspiracy" for 911.1.the terrorists and a few very well connected nongovernment people know911 will happen, but dont try to stop it.2.a few low level govt officials and spy agencies know it is possible to happen, but dont seriously try to stop it.3.knowledge of the possibility of 911 at high govt levels, but decide notworth actively taking prevention steps.4.probable knowledge 911 will happen, but figure too hard to stop.5.govt knows 911 will almost definitely happen, but do nothing to stop for political reasons.6.govt knows and actively encourages 911 by discouraging prevention steps.7.govt actually helps the terrorists plan and execute 911, but exactly as most think. ie, 4 hijacked planes.8.govt actively plans terrorist attack, but since they need it to succeed, theyimprove upon it by wiring the WTC with explosives in an incredibly intricate manner, having standby missiles in case there is any problem with the planes, deciding to kidnap flight 93(for no apparent reason other than theyre evil?), etc, etc, etc.i actually agree that there is enough evidence to support 1, and to entertain the possibility of level 2.but the problem with your argument is that so far you have only really demonstrated level 1. you still have 7 steps to go before you convince us that what you are saying is true. and i should add that of these 8 levels, level 8 is by far the least plausible explanation. even if you manage to get to level 7, level 8 is a gigantic leap of probability."i figure if the topic wont die, we might as well try to clarify the debate.

I couldn't have said it better. Any thoughts wingmaster?

[Jeepster80125 0]

Wow. I never thought that I would give in to the conspiracy nutjobs, but I have seen the light. Proof here.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...p;mesg_id=56836

[Suited_Up 2]

Wow. I never thought that I would give in to the conspiracy nutjobs, but I have seen the light. Proof here.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...p;mesg_id=56836

Proof positive my friend...Proof positive!

[Jeepster80125 0]

Proof positive my friend...Proof positive!

Nice couch you have there.

[ol'number7 0]

Wow. I never thought that I would give in to the conspiracy nutjobs, but I have seen the light. Proof here.http://www.democraticunderground.com/discu...p;mesg_id=56836

wow -- surf around that site a little bit, theres enough hilarious articles on there to fill up OT for awhile...amazing

[Golden 2]

Nice couch you have there.

I wonder where he got it

[Suited_Up 2]

I wonder where he got it

Plunkett Home Furnishings

[Wingmaster05 0]

i dont want to encourage this too much, but if someone wants to do a pollon the 8 levels of conspiracy id be curious.i posted this on another site after someone presented large amounts of evidence that some stocks had been manipulated before 911."but here is the thing. they only prove that someone knew 911 was going tohappen in advance(assuming they are all accurate, which im not going to research because i pretty much believe them)here are some levels of "conspiracy" for 911.1.the terrorists and a few very well connected nongovernment people know911 will happen, but dont try to stop it.i would call that the official story...?2.a few low level govt officials and spy agencies know it is possible to happen, but dont seriously try to stop it.3.knowledge of the possibility of 911 at high govt levels, but decide notworth actively taking prevention stepsWhat you're saying is still quasi official story, backed by the government...? http://www.slate.com/id/2098861/ 4.probable knowledge 911 will happen, but figure too hard to stop.Can't really show anything for that. To hard to stop?5.govt knows 911 will almost definitely happen, but do nothing to stop for political reasons.6.govt knows and actively encourages 911 by discouraging prevention steps.harry samit, FBI officier was on the trail of Moussaoui in mid August and told his superiors supposedly "over 70 times" that ZM was a terrorist and had to be stopped. They had him in custody and he was obstructed from letting a search of his computer occur. he sent a letter to the FAA because they were ignoring him and a senior official barred him from sending the letter. That official allegedly spoke with the FAA himself. http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=133422http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=121657.govt actually helps the terrorists plan and execute 911, but exactly as most think. ie, 4 hijacked planes. like op. Able Danger? The govt closely watched Atta and 4 of the other, older hijackers waay before 911 and knew what they were up to.8.govt actively plans terrorist attack, but since they need it to succeed, theyimprove upon it by wiring the WTC with explosives in an incredibly intricate manner, having standby missiles in case there is any problem with the planes, deciding to kidnap flight 93(for no apparent reason other than theyre evil?), etc, etc, etc.Also since they doubt the buildings will collapse (as did the WTC project manager, among others), and it would create quite the spectacle to jump start their agenda, then yes, they guarantee the buildings fall. having missles stand by? Like the missile defense at the Pentagon, that somehow were unused? Not only unused, Norman Mineta has testified to the 911 commission that he witnessed **** Cheney and a young man, and the man telling the VP that "a plane" is getting closer, and closer, and closer, and asks if the order still stands, he says "of course the god damn order stands." ("the plane is 50 miles out, sir"..."the plane is 10 miles out, does the order still stand???" hmm, they are watchign a plane slowly come into the pentagon, and do nothing?). The 911 commission deemed his testimony unnoteworthy.Yes, Fl 93 doesn't make sense. But since a true investigation was lacking, we may never know what happened. So what made WTC 7 collapse?

that thing drops like a rock. No way i believe a fire or some random explosion (FEMA's guess i believe) felled WTC 7. Fireman were telling people all around the building that it was coming down way before hand. Someone knew it was comingn down. How?i actually agree that there is enough evidence to support 1, and to entertain the possibility of level 2. The Government supports 3 and 4 too.but the problem with your argument is that so far you have only really demonstrated level 1. you still have 7 steps to go before you convince us that what you are saying is true. and i should add that of these 8 levels, level 8 is by far the least plausible explanation. even if you manage to get to level 7, level 8 is a gigantic leap of probability."you actually need a 9 10 and 11 i think (govt framed some muslims/used them as patsies, and much more), but they involve things outside of this debate.i figure if the topic wont die, we might as well try to clarify the debate.

[bascomeb 0]

anyone who believe this is an idiot.so are all liberals tho in generalGO BUSH GO

[Golden 2]

Can't we just let this thread die?

[insano 0]

Can't we just let this thread die?

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