AllenRay4 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 get to chatting with most of the table....be nice , show a few hands and they will all do the same....meanwhile you can stop at anytime but as long as you are being nice they will continue to showalso a newer one for me is before i fold...trying to guess their hand in the chat...i dont sit there , chat it up, for a while, then fold, i'll just say something like , you must have my 9s beat and pause (let him think about if he will show or not) and then fold....you'd be surprised they how much they show, either a)to prove you wrong/show off a bluff or b)they want respect and will indeed show off a better handbtw, i say GL all, before the start of every tournament because its karma and when i had my biggest cash ever i said it at every table i went to......that part about them bein weak is BS Link to post Share on other sites
Nutcracker 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'll generally say NH to anyone that beats me, whether it really was well played or a major suckout. Keeps them loose and willing to gamble against me. And nothing wrong with being friendly and congratulating someone on a nice hand when they get quads or a straight flush or something. Link to post Share on other sites
alexquigley 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Got this on a few players...waited until I saw it twice, and it may not be right all the time. But it has been for me when it counted.The spuer-quick re-raise-back for the minimum amount. (NL) Always been a bluff. Or at least, me going all-in against it induced a fold.Great, now one of you are gonna screw me on this. *slaps head* Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'll generally say NH to anyone that beats me, whether it really was well played or a major suckout. Keeps them loose and willing to gamble against me.I tell them they suck. Keeps them loose and paying me off because they so badly want to beat me. Link to post Share on other sites
NormanHaupt 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 BEST TELL EVER:You listening?Okay, here we go.If they fold in microlimit- they had nothing. If they call, they probably had nothing too. Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Quick calls are usually a drawQuick big bets are usually a bluffWatch players and see if this is true in their case, as it will not be for everyone and the players that play a bit more intelligently will use these to throw you off..Long pauses between big bets are usually real strength.The auto-check is also usually strength(keep track of different players who use it though, sometimes it is someone just using the feature when they want to fold)Also, see what people want you to do by their bet sizes(most of my tells apply to no-limit) and do the opposite. This is a bit tougher and you have to watch their betting patterns to understand what different things mean. Link to post Share on other sites
Thumper 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 If someone were trying to get tells on my online play would you please let me know what I'm doing? :? Reading my play based on my delays would be pure trash... I'll be playing and me click to on screen response will be fast and then two hands later I'll have over a five second delay and in some cases as much as fifteen seconds.A much simpler tell is when an opponent comes over the top of your over the top reraise... do you really wanna continue bluffing? Or you've got the NUTZ flush and there is a pair on the board and your opponent goes all in... do you call or say "nice play" as you fold? (The answer to both of these is that you need to look in a mirror and see if someone has branded you with "ATM" on the forehead.)Thumper Link to post Share on other sites
21gambit 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 some are reliable and some arent. If you arent looking for these things and only basing your decision on the size of a certain bet, I think your observation is a bit lacking.Written down these tells seem so simplistic and obvious and easy to exploit when someone is looking for them, but try using them, see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites
drocpdp 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 OH AND ANOTHER INDICATOR OF A WEAK PLAYER:when you struuugggglleee oh so long with a player, try to wrangle a read out of him, raise him to see what he has, he check-raises you back, eternal struggle of trying to read him, raise him perfectly on the turn he calls, on the river he raises you a decent amount, you struggle eternally and think you have the PERFECT CALL AND CALL HIM,and you both have the same hand, and split the pot and he goes...... LOL.ITS NOT FUNNY. ITS UPSETTING TO PUT ALL THAT EFFORT AND GET A STUPID SPLIT POT YOU AMATEUR IMBECILE..hehehheheheh doesn't cause me to get that angry, but any lol indicates beginner-ness. Link to post Share on other sites
Briguy 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I say lol all the time when that happens. After spending all that effort trying to put the person on a better or worse hand then mine, I never, ever put them on the same hand. If I can't laugh at myself, who can I laugh at?(BTW, thanks for letting us know how to tilt you! ) Link to post Share on other sites
JFarrell20 1 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'll generally say NH to anyone that beats me, whether it really was well played or a major suckout. Keeps them loose and willing to gamble against me.I tell them they suck. Keeps them loose and paying me off because they so badly want to beat me.lol. I have a horrible habit of berating players online. I've gotten better but last night I get dealt AK with 3 limpers. I raise it up, all three call.Flop comes low rags, uncoordinated. I bet out...get called...called...then RAISED? I take a while then fold it and say "this is a nightmare".other 2 call. Turn card comes, guy who raised the flop bets out... call call.River...guy who raised the flop and bet the turn checks...next guy checks...next guy bets.... BOTH FOLD! NOBODY PAID 1 BB at a 17BB pot to show it down!?I was pissed at the guy who raised me out. lol. telling him he should "have the courtesy" to call on the end so we see what they have. The other folder was all pissed at me now and so a few hands later I'm in the CO with A10s...it folded around to me (dude who's pissed at me is BB).I raise.... fold...fold....he 3-bets it....I just call (prob. should have re-raised). Anyway flop comes 10 10 x. He bets out, I raise it (portraying aggression here and assuming he'll never put me on trips. lol). Sure enough he re-raises and I cap. Turn rag, he check/calls.River rag, he check/calls. I take down big HU pot and then laugh at him and tell him "thanks for putting me back on the plus side." lol.God I'm a d.ick. I know it. Link to post Share on other sites
Awful 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 OH AND ANOTHER INDICATOR OF A WEAK PLAYER:when you struuugggglleee oh so long with a player, try to wrangle a read out of him, raise him to see what he has, he check-raises you back, eternal struggle of trying to read him, raise him perfectly on the turn he calls, on the river he raises you a decent amount, you struggle eternally and think you have the PERFECT CALL AND CALL HIM,and you both have the same hand, and split the pot and he goes...... LOL.ITS NOT FUNNY. ITS UPSETTING TO PUT ALL THAT EFFORT AND GET A STUPID SPLIT POT YOU AMATEUR IMBECILE..hehehheheheh doesn't cause me to get that angry, but any lol indicates beginner-ness.Wow... I usually find splits like that a goldmine of information, honestly. You see how they played the hand you just did from their position and you'd just been making all those reads and decisions at every stage, so they're fresh in your mind for comparison. Link to post Share on other sites
troutsmart 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 I'll contribute one, just so I feel like I belong.If you play low stakes pot-limit or NL, pay careful attention to what players bet. It is common for those new to pot limit to bet a small amount if they have a draw. Their thinking is they can start building a pot, be the aggressor, yet not overcommit themselves. If you have a made hand, this is when you need to take over. Small bets in these games usually means weakness. Oh heck, I'll do one more.It probably has been mentioned, but the amount a player buys-in for is very useful information. Those who buy in for the max are usually your toughest competition. Avoid them, but carefully watch their play. These guys will be at your tables often. Link to post Share on other sites
drocpdp 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 LOL... the "censored" post was funny as *)(&*)(&)..... hehehI like this forum. YOu all bring valid points and diverse points of view. I can't hate any of it. Because it all is interesting and DEFINITELY opens my eyes.Good points. Link to post Share on other sites
digitalmonkey 929 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Hahaha!! Another tell is if a player folds. That means he didn't think he had the best hand. That's an important one.LMAO :clap: Most of the time when a player waits a long time to decide whether or not to call, they will fold. However, if the player comes all in over the top, it usually means they have a monster. Link to post Share on other sites
Awful 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 the "time tells" are really only applicable to auto-action buttons. Otherwise, people can vary their timing, simply have their connection or other tables delay decision-making, or in NL have struggles with the sliders or determining their amount, etc. Only "time tell" i use is instant responses, and even then, only one I do something about is the instant check in turn.Instant check: Got nothing, will fold to a bet. Attack them. They aren't slowplaying, either. Slowplayers take a second to check because they must think about betting and wait to see the action before them (almost 100% of the time; very few will slowplay by hitting "check-call in turn"Instant bet or raise: Overpair or better... doesn't help much, really. Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Miner 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 people who use the auto play boxes give away a lot of information... Link to post Share on other sites
JFarrell20 1 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 people who use the auto play boxes give away a lot of information...Yeah. Say for instance you are in MP and you take a while...then fold, and the 4 people behind you (including the button) FOLD IMMEDIATELY signifying that they clicked "fold" without even waiting to see if anyone will limp.Certain hands on the button are easy folds (IN A MULTIWAY POT), yet when it gets folded around to you, sometimes they become RAISE HANDS.Those people in late pos. who auto-click fold are not wise. I'll usually note that. Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter_McGavin 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 This is sort of a reverse tell... If I'm in the BB with a moster hand and there is just one caller I will sometimes click the "call any" box. This LOOKS like I checked the autofold button and I will often get action from the SB. Of course this is a dangerous move but it sometimes pays off and helps me switch things up. Link to post Share on other sites
WilPenny 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 In reply to that "nh" and "gl all" post. In all sincerity, and with no ill will intended, i'd have to seriously disagree on that one.Go to a casino. Usually, the people that are chatty, and good-natured are USUALLY THE WINNERS. THey don't take it too seriously at the time, and won't let a bad beat set them back. They know that a loss today is temporary and that they could win big tomorrow. complimenting a "maniac" is actually a written tactic to making money from a maniac. You want him/her to believe that he is good, even though he gambles a lot. You want him to continue doing so.I'm telling you, it could be annoying, but i respect people that are courteous at the table, whether live or online. Usually they aren't sore winners, or sore losers. And that gives them an edge, especially in a game where emotions can get the better of you.Again, sorry if this appears a direct affront. Just my opinion.You hit the nail on the head there, I use politieness often.. Usually you get a " NH" response if you win over 1,000 chips. And it is really hard to say " GG " when you lose, but hey, o well, better luck next time... A tell that i have picked up is when you can tell that they hit their auto-post and fold options. Because when they have their card, that they have waited for, they slow down. So, If you see that they are doing this, I raise them immediatly to get them out of the hand, or they will pay big to see the next card, and again, you will notice that they are probably waiting on high cards. The slow players, that take all the clock, are fun too, and alot of the times, I will play there hand, just to see what they have. Because, now, I know they sit on good cards. Link to post Share on other sites
Shooter_McGavin 0 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I try to be courteous at all times, win or lose, but sometimes I can't resist needling. When a player goes on tilt I want him to be gunning for me. He'll start coming after me with weak holdings, try to bluff me off pots... In short, by taunting/insulting/needling I can sometimes get someone to implode and give me all their chips. And in the end isn't that what it's really all about? I guess all is fair in love and poker. Link to post Share on other sites
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