Daniel And The Mouth

[keith crime 8]

Was watching HSP and Mike had played for a long time and was going to leaveSome of the guys at the table paid Matasow 4K to stay in the game and he eventually started playing bad and busted with a bluff against Phil LaakAs he left DN said "That's how it always is with him he plays well for a long time and then boom it's gone in two hands"At first I was sort of wondering if Daniel should have gone up to him when they goaded him to stay (sort of like Teddy KGB after Mike won his first 10K heads up) and told him to take offMy guess is that this has happened a ton of times and he can't really intercede anymoreI once heard Howard Stern before Chris Farley died ask a friend of his why he wasn't trying to get him to clean up - and the guy said we've all done it so many times that you have to just decide whether to be friends with him as is or notIt's a weird dynamic - a lot of people seem to have affection for the guy but are clearly willing to clean him out when he is on tiltI know poker is a big boys game and you have to be vicious - but I've gotta think its hard watching a guy like that win big and go broke so many timesany thoughts? Be kind

[fckthis 0]

word.

[grbs1605 0]

I had a similar thing going on with a friend. Used to float him cash for all kinds of bills. I always got paid back eventually, but at some point you just throw your hands up and give up. Sometimes they really need a big kick in the ass

[PedalMettle 0]

If I'm not mistaken, DN was one of those who paid $1000 to get Mikey to stay.

[Mercury69 3]

Some guys just don't know where to draw the line and their friends get tired of drawing it for them and watching them cross it time and time again.

[matt21sz 0]

Should they have told Jerry Buss that his level of expertise wasn't quite up to snuff and that maybe he should try the 20/40 game down in the main poker room?? No, the point of this game, especially at the highest limits, is to exploit a players weaknesses and tendencies. If Mike is unable (or unwilling) to make the decision to stop playing when he feels he isn't at his best, that burden should not fall to the other players.

[keith crime 8]

Should they have told Jerry Buss that his level of expertise wasn't quite up to snuff and that maybe he should try the 20/40 game down in the main poker room?? No, the point of this game, especially at the highest limits, is to exploit a players weaknesses and tendencies. If Mike is unable (or unwilling) to make the decision to stop playing when he feels he isn't at his best, that burden should not fall to the other players.

I understand - but my guess is that Jerry Buss has been told that many times and knows it going in - and has a ton of dough and just likes the challenge

[Scriptdude 0]

I don't think they asked him to stay just so they could clean him out. Mike is a funny guy and he brings teh funny to the table, so I'm guessing they just liked his presence.I did feel kinda bad for him, but he's still a rich dude.

[fatman 1]

Should they have told Jerry Buss that his level of expertise wasn't quite up to snuff and that maybe he should try the 20/40 game down in the main poker room?? No, the point of this game, especially at the highest limits, is to exploit a players weaknesses and tendencies. If Mike is unable (or unwilling) to make the decision to stop playing when he feels he isn't at his best, that burden should not fall to the other players.

I'm pretty sure that in one of the episodes from season 1, Jerry Buss made a comment that it was worth the $100 ante each hand for the entertainment of being at the table.

[rockytrh 0]

There are no friends at a poker table.Mikey is a big boy, and he was up, and was his choice to stay. I feel no pity on the guy that doesn't have enough discipline to leave when they are feeling the game is not beatable anymore, doesn't leave after playing good a while and have a tendency to loose it all in a few hands after x ammount of hours or hands.

[Teffy 0]

I don't think they asked him to stay just so they could clean him out. Mike is a funny guy and he brings teh funny to the table, so I'm guessing they just liked his presence.I did feel kinda bad for him, but he's still a rich dude.

I don't know how rich Mike is or how rich you think he is, but from what i gather, he is constantly walking a very thin line between being broke. He also wasn't playing with his own money for HSP, he was staked. After he won TOC last year, he lost his 2 mill on sports betting if i recall.

[herokid7 0]

I don't think they asked him to stay just so they could clean him out. Mike is a funny guy and he brings teh funny to the table, so I'm guessing they just liked his presence.I did feel kinda bad for him, but he's still a rich dude.

I'm not sure how rich he really is. It's been rumored he has a major gambling problem a la Stu Ungar, and Kaplan even mentioned how Sheik might've staked Mike for HSP. If Mike really is that rich, why would Sheik have to stake him. My guess is he probably gambled or blew away the couple mil he won at the WSOP last year and is probably only worth a few hundred grand now.

[Scriptdude 0]

I don't know how rich Mike is or how rich you think he is, but from what i gather, he is constantly walking a very thin line between being broke. He also wasn't playing with his own money for HSP, he was staked. After he won TOC last year, he lost his 2 mill on sports betting if i recall.

Ok, did not know about his betting habits in other areas, but these pros -- with all their sponsordeals, TV tourneys, etc. make a good buck. I *assumed* he could take the loss.

[herokid7 0]

I don't know how rich Mike is or how rich you think he is, but from what i gather, he is constantly walking a very thin line between being broke. He also wasn't playing with his own money for HSP, he was staked. After he won TOC last year, he lost his 2 mill on sports betting if i recall.

Looks like we have the same thinking, before I got my post up you posted. Great minds think alike I guess

[Teffy 0]

agreed, haha, our posts were nearly identical.

[matt21sz 0]

I understand - but my guess is that Jerry Buss has been told that many times and knows it going in - and has a ton of dough and just likes the challenge

Sadly, I think Mike has been told many times before as well and that he knows what's going on. He just can't stop it I guess.

[herokid7 0]

Sadly, I think Mike has been told many times before as well and that he knows what's going on. He just can't stop it I guess.

It's a weakness in his game. We all have our own strengths and weaknesses at the table, Mike's is he plays longer than he should and then plays poorly at the end of his sessions. It's something he has to work on. The bad part is, I can work of my weaknesses of reading people and not really worry about going broke. Mike's weakness of money manangement skills can lead him to going broke.

[socalpoker_j 1]

It's been a consistent theme with Mike, I believe he's even said it himself that when he plays too long of a session he tends to be loser at the end of the night. There's no doubt that Mike is a great poker player but sometimes it seems like he gets a little too in over his head and can't seem to dig himself out.

[jay1085 0]

Some guys just don't know where to draw the line and their friends get tired of drawing it for them and watching them cross it time and time again.

I agree.

[Silentbullet 0]

Sadly, I think Mike has been told many times before as well and that he knows what's going on. He just can't stop it I guess.

I agree. Mike has a problem and his friends should help with it.

[reedmcneal 0]

I'm not sure how rich he really is. It's been rumored he has a major gambling problem a la Stu Ungar, and Kaplan even mentioned how Sheik might've staked Mike for HSP. If Mike really is that rich, why would Sheik have to stake him. My guess is he probably gambled or blew away the couple mil he won at the WSOP last year and is probably only worth a few hundred grand now.

Trust me, it's more than a rumor.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I don't think they asked him to stay just so they could clean him out. Mike is a funny guy and he brings teh funny to the table, so I'm guessing they just liked his presence.I did feel kinda bad for him, but he's still a rich dude.

This post is dead wrong in several spots.1) they did NOT pay mike to stay for his comedic value. No one's comedy routine is worth 1000 dollars, not even if they could raise Bill Hicks, Andy kaufmann and lenny bruce from the dead would they be worth that kind of money. Notice when Brunson said " you're gonng to drink?" and then threw his money in. They all wwanted his stack, pure and simple2) if by rich you mean perpetually broke and in need of being staked.

[alf13 0]

This post is dead wrong in several spots.1) they did NOT pay mike to stay for his comedic value. No one's comedy routine is worth 1000 dollars, not even if they could raise Bill Hicks, Andy kaufmann and lenny bruce from the dead would they be worth that kind of money. Notice when Brunson said " you're gonng to drink?" and then threw his money in. They all wwanted his stack, pure and simple2) if by rich you mean perpetually broke and in need of being staked.

I disagree.If somebody actually raised those guys from the dead for a one night only show...he would get 1k a head.The act of raising them from the dead alone is worth 1k.

[BigDMcGee 3,355]

I agree. Mike has a problem and his friends should help with it.

If poker players spent all their time, helping other pros whom have weaknesses in their game, and gambling problems, with their problem, they would all go broke to the rake. If you want to be a pro, you have to be willing to bust a friend when they show weakness.

[keith crime 8]

excellent taste in dead comedians Big D