Time For The Grind To Begin.

[Squamch 0]

Although I would recommend the temp job too, you probably have a few months living expenses in your bankroll, so as long as you don't gamble that, all the power to you. The blog is awesome! I'll be following and rooting for you.

[Dratj 0]

Although I would recommend the temp job too, you probably have a few months living expenses in your bankroll, so as long as you don't gamble that, all the power to you. The blog is awesome! I'll be following and rooting for you.

he doesn't have a few months living expenses in his bankroll. It's just under 3k now.

[Spence 0]

I've got 4k more I've got the stock market I decided to play with I can use if needed, and I've got some more money in the bank. This BR will not have money taken out of it, if anything it will have money added to it as I learn I can beat games consistently.

[blueodum 0]

The fish will eventually metamorphosize into pikers. Its Darwin, baby. In 5 years the game will need to take a quantum leap, and I just don't see how it can go beyond 'gambling'; once all the advantages pros enjoy today are eliminated.Wrong on so many levels.The online LHE games are much tougher now than they were 2 years ago because more and more people are reading up on the basic strategies and the very worst players have switched over to NL. Still, I am able to make a consistent profit in these games up to and including 5/10 (I've dabbled in 10/20 too). There will always be better and worse players, even if the overall quality of the players improves. Some players who WERE winning players will find that their strategies are no longer effective - they will have to adapt or perish. Some established pros will find out that the poker world has passed them by in terms of skill level.No matter what happens in poker, the top 5% of players will be able to make a comfortable living; the next 10% will earn enough scratch to get by; the next 15% will break even after the rake, and the rest (70%) will be losing players.Now, a lot depends on how many active players there are. The way poker is growing worldwide, there might be 100 million regular players before we see a peak. 5% of 100 million is 5 million - that's a lot of pros. But if poker fades so that there are only 5 million regular players worldwide that still leaves 250 000 successful "pros".Long term, poker is a gambling game (wagering game, I think, is more accurate) but it is not "gambling". The best players in the game will eventually get the money. And "best" is a relative term. So yes, it's a Darwinian struggle. But there will always be winners no matter how tough it gets.

[schnoodle_C 0]

There was a guy who posted weekly on 2+2 about making a living and supporting his family playing mostly 3/6 limit, 3 tabling. He made around 80 grand in one year playing around 45 hours/wk if I remember correctly. Some people around here might remember him. There is a site somewhere with a link into the 2+2 archieves with each weekly post.

[spikymarv99 0]

I dont want to rain on anyone's parade bc I honestly support people doing what their heart tells them to, BUT your not going to make any money playing 3/6 one table at a time. To make anything decent at that limit, you need to play upwards of 8 tables at once. This coupled with rakeback and bonuses would be good. If your a solid winning player, that plan will net you roughly 90,000/year before taxes. You should get a job, bc as of now this isn't a career for you. If I may ask, what job did you have before? Are you currently in school?Just finished reading the entire thread.DUDE... go for it, your in college who cares. Try poker for a living, it's not a big deal. I thought you wanted to play professionally, like with a mortgage and car payments, etc.... If all else fails call mom with a sob story

[Spence 0]

Thanks for the support Spiky.

[nachunja 0]

i just wanna add to playing within your bankroll thingjust another example of playing-out-of-bankroll-gone-wrongi've made thousands and lost thousands fast and quick because of taking big shots. played 25/50 limit with 2k and lost it all before i could finish my drink.i am broke and it just brings down your self-esteem.if you can control your own discipline i think you are half way there.i definately wont be able to be a good player unless i fix my mindset.college student, are you? what are you studying and how old are you

[Spence 0]

I'm on my last semester and im majoring in Computer Information Systems with a minor in business. 23 Years old.

[Konidias 0]

I think professional poker players are going the way of the dinosaur and dial up. The pros of today are saturated in self promotion and website pumping because poker has no viable future. Why? Ruinous competition and steadily increasing amature player sophistication. The fish will eventually metamorphosize into pikers. Its Darwin, baby. In 5 years the game will need to take a quantum leap, and I just don't see how it can go beyond 'gambling'; once all the advantages pros enjoy today are eliminated. Even with ability and cards, odds defying suck-outs do occur. Poker will go the way of the fifteen minute rock star, the one hit wonder; all televised. kinda like "Survivor" or "Who wants to be a rock star?"

The pros today are into self-promotion because it's big bucks. It's easy money. You get paid large sums of cash to have your face/name on merchandise. Athletes do it too but you don't see anyone saying that professional football or basketball or hockey is going the way of the dinosaur.You say that more fish are becoming skilled, but guess what? There are more fish playing poker now than EVER BEFORE. There always will be far more fish than there are skilled players. Way back in the day, a pro was lucky to run across some suckers in a casino, now they are flooded all over the internet. All you have to do is sit down and take their money. If anything, the amount of money to be made from these newcomers is more than you could ever need.The reason pros self-promote and get endorsed is because it's a lot of money for very little work. Also, some people just like the fame and celebrity status. I mean how many celebs has Daniel met? Hundreds at least.Anyway, back on topic...I cleaned up yesterday Spence, you should have been there. I sat with $100 at a $5/$10 and turned it into $1000 in an hour lol. I use the little yellow ! marker to indicate the fish/free money players and the whole table was pretty much the yellow ! markers lol.That's another interesting point to make. Table selection can mean EVERYTHING. You don't want to sit with a bunch of loose-aggressive players in a shorthanded game. But loose-passives? PLEASE SIR MAY I HAVE SOME MORE?!

[Abbaddabba 0]

There was a guy who posted weekly on 2+2 about making a living and supporting his family playing mostly 3/6 limit, 3 tabling. He made around 80 grand in one year playing around 45 hours/wk if I remember correctly.

That's it?Assuming two full weeks of vacation, thats only $35/hour. If he's playing 3 tables with 100% rakeback, he's less than a 1BB/100 winner.

i just wanna add to playing within your bankroll thingjust another example of playing-out-of-bankroll-gone-wrongi've made thousands and lost thousands fast and quick because of taking big shots. played 25/50 limit with 2k and lost it all before i could finish my drink.i am broke and it just brings down your self-esteem.

What reason would you have to believe that you're good enough to beat a game that high?That's not taking a shot. That's just blowing your money at a table where you're probably the worst player sitting.

[nell789 0]

HOW COME NO BLOG UPDATE?

[kdogg 0]

That's it?Assuming two full weeks of vacation, thats only $35/hour. If he's playing 3 tables with 100% rakeback, he's less than a 1BB/100 winner.

80k in a year playing poker sounds pretty good to me. Abba, do you make more than that? Just curious, not being an arsehole or anything.Also, if someone can make 80k/year playing 3/6, why wouldn't they move up to 5/10 at some point?

[Abbaddabba 0]

I play between 15-20 hours a week and im on pace for about 70k in annual earnings.45 hours a week is a LOT of time to be playing.

[mtdesmoines 3]

HOW COME NO BLOG UPDATE?

Big mystery. Huge mystery. Massive mystery.

[Dratj 0]

I play between 15-20 hours a week and im on pace for about 70k in annual earnings.45 hours a week is a LOT of time to be playing.

I don't know how you do it.

[kdogg 0]

I play between 15-20 hours a week and im on pace for about 70k in annual earnings.45 hours a week is a LOT of time to be playing.

That is very impressive. Is poker your only source of income, or do you work part-time also? Why don't you move up to 5/10?

[Abbaddabba 0]

No other job yet. I just finished my degree in may. I havent moved up to 5/10 because im a *****. I have about 3k hands logged and have done ridiculously well, but i still dont feel comfortable enough to 4 table it regularly. A 100 big bet swing at those stakes would really get to me...

[mrdannyg 274]

I play between 15-20 hours a week and im on pace for about 70k in annual earnings.45 hours a week is a LOT of time to be playing.

me and abba are basically doing the same thing, except i'm playing more hours and generally at lower stakes.the last two months i played about 30 hours a week, at stakes 1/2-3/6. more than half my hands are at 2/4, and then about evenly split at 1/2 and 3/6. i've been 6-tabling for the most part, but that's easy with an investment of just a few hundred bucks in an upgraded monitor. if i was doing this long-term, i'd probably invest another couple hundred in a second monitor and play 8-12 tables.so despite playing only 30 hours a week or so, and having it prioritized behind pretty much anything else in my life, i'm on pace for over $70K a year in earnings also, in USD and with no taxes.if you put in 40 hours a week of 6-tabling at 2/4-5/10 at Absolute and WPEX, with a winrate of 1bb/100, you should be looking at an annual income of over $100K.

[Abbaddabba 0]

But of course, real men win 2BB/100.

[Brisco 0]

I have never had any success playing limit, but usually make 500 or so per month just playing low limit nl and pl. That is just a couple nights a week playing here and there while on the road. Kids are in bed ect.I would love to do nothing but play for a living. Not have to worry about making 30k in payroll each month and all the BS associated with having a business. Just me and the cards...Ahh man that would be nice.

[gilbertology 0]

Spence=Symbolic0 I'm guessing. Just read this thread and good luck to you sir, keep us updated. I'm also (almost) 23 and just graduated with an electrical engineering degree but unfortunately am gonna get a job soon, I think. If I had a 5k br rite now maybe I would give TP a shot for a few months. Since I don't have to grind it out, I play a lot of "fun" games, which for me is PL Omaha cash games and $30-$100 HU and NL tournies. Earlier this year I was playing 100-200 HU games mostly but that was probably out of my br, but it didn't matter much cuz I had no expenses. See ya on FCP, try multi-tabling some pl omaha cash games and see how you do.

[fckthis 0]

When I first started poker, I thought it was so easy to make money. I even thought Id go pro by the age of 18 ( I was 16 at the time). Now being 18, I realize how hard it is to grind it out for a living. Its a ****ing job, with no benefits, no compensation and you can come out with a negative sign at the end of the day.

[Dratj 0]

But of course, real men win 2BB/100.

Do you take students?

[albasuna 0]

So is it easiar to make a living grinding it out at limit or no limit? Cash or Tournaments?