Re: Tainted Decks...

[FourFlusher 0]

I read here that there have been incidents of tainted decks in the WSOP in the form of two of the same cards being found.I can only think of one way for this to happen. I have never seen two decks open at the same time. They play with one setup, box it and open a second. And, the two setups at a table are a different color backings.Anybody have any feasable excuse for this happening except for somebody cheating?

[rockytrh 0]

I read here that there have been incidents of tainted decks in the WSOP in the form of two of the same cards being found.I can only think of one way for this to happen. I have never seen two decks open at the same time. They play with one setup, box it and open a second.Anybody have any feasable excuse for this happening except for somebody cheating?

could be a manufaturer's (sp?) mistake (unlikly),but i think i'll go with:Pissed off employee at the card company (sw)

[jooka 0]

Could of been a prisoner working in the Vegas penal system having a good laugh.

[FourFlusher 0]

If there are two six of spades in this deck, some where in the building it seems like there must be a deck with no six of spades. That's twice the problem.If it's a manufacturing thing, the dealer should be fired for not spotting it. The setup spread is not just for show, it's to check for that.Too much on the line for tainted decks.

[Kei 0]

I don't think they are finding tainted decks, but rather cards that have been used enough times that they have visible wear marks on them.Corners, backing or edges with tears, cuts, or worn spots can be considered 'mark' because if an astute player notices the cuts he can identify which cards are out of player or even in another player's hand.

[mx957 0]

After a deck is used, it's checked for marked or bent cards. If a 6 of spades for instance is bent it's removed, another deck with the same background has it's 6 of spades removed and put in this deck and the deck is then put back in play. Decks are combined and reused all the time. It was 1) a mistake by the floor for putting the deck together incorrectly and 2) a mistake by the dealer by not checking the deck properly on a new set up.

[doudave 0]

guys these decks are not new, they keep being reused. It's just the person in charge of setting up that deck should be fired since all the decks can be traced to which dealer has used them. On that note, I was playing at the Borgata and 2 three of diamonds flopped. We were playing with that deck for at least an hour before we found out and nothing happened as far as I know.

[hblask 1]

Does anybody else look at the decks when they spread them out on the table? It's not like I'm particularly busy at the time, so I look at them with the dealer. If I did that, and a few hands later an extra card showed up, well, then there may need to be an investigation.If you just chat while the dealer is doing that, you missed out.

[rockytrh 0]

Ive got the solution, spring for the new decks you friggin bastards. These guys pay quite a bit of juice, and cards really arn't that expensive when you buy 15k packs at a time. Use new cards for every table. period.

[kcdc 0]

Noob question...what's the juice?

[loggerhead 0]

Noob question...what's the juice?

Vig.

[FourFlusher 0]

Thanks for the responses. The "repairing" of the deck by replacing individual cards seems like the best answer. I hadn't thought of that, but, I know they do it.So, it seems like it's just another example of ongoing sloppyness at these games. The dealers are the last stop check for bad decks...I'd fire one or two and get the rests attention.

[Pupsta 0]

After a deck is used, it's checked for marked or bent cards. If a 6 of spades for instance is bent it's removed, another deck with the same background has it's 6 of spades removed and put in this deck and the deck is then put back in play. Decks are combined and reused all the time. It was 1) a mistake by the floor for putting the deck together incorrectly and 2) a mistake by the dealer by not checking the deck properly on a new set up.

guys these decks are not new, they keep being reused. It's just the person in charge of setting up that deck should be fired since all the decks can be traced to which dealer has used them. On that note, I was playing at the Borgata and 2 three of diamonds flopped. We were playing with that deck for at least an hour before we found out and nothing happened as far as I know.

very rarely will you find a deck (especially a deck of copag) that has no marked cards. the WSOP cards seem like the cheapest copags on the market, every deck has a few with creases in it. pointing out the marked cards there is almost pointless since half of every deck is marked, and if it's not, it'll get marked after an hour of being played with.also, how can the deck be traced back to the dealer? in the cash games at least, the dealer pushes in and then shuffles up and deals without resetting/fanning the deck. it could be played with 53 cards for a couple of hours without being noticed. by then, it's not necessarily the dealer's fault...there are hundreds of decks in there and someone could easily sneak in another six of spades or something along those lines.

[FourFlusher 0]

BTW, I still think Harrah's missed a good deal when they didn't order thousands of specially produced commerative decks and use new decks liberally...then sell them after as game used WSOP decks.They could have easily recovered most if not more than the investment.

[Pupsta 0]

BTW, I still think Harrah's missed a good deal when they didn't order thousands of specially produced commerative decks and use new decks liberally...then sell them after as game used WSOP decks.They could have easily recovered most if not more than the investment.

resale would have been pretty high because i don't think that the players would have gone for some cheapo plastic coated bicycle cards. they're already going bottom of the barrel with the copag's.

[Kantian 0]

If there are two six of spades in this deck, some where in the building it seems like there must be a deck with no six of spades. That's twice the problem.If it's a manufacturing thing, the dealer should be fired for not spotting it. The setup spread is not just for show, it's to check for that.Too much on the line for tainted decks.

I love the idea of firing people for one mistake on a job entailing high-stress repetition Poor dealer misses a 6 of spades once in his life and some donkey on the FCP forum wants to fire him.Let's all hold hands and learn how to love

[FourFlusher 0]

I'm sure Copag or Kem would have been pleased to make a run for them. With the resale value they could have purchased better cards in the first place.

[rockytrh 0]

Noob question...what's the juice?

juice = house take/ rake

[Pupsta 0]

I'm sure Copag or Kem would have been pleased to make a run for them. With the resale value they could have purchased better cards in the first place.

you realize they're using special WSOP copag cards now, right?they're the cheapest pieces of garbage on the market.

[rockytrh 0]

you realize they're using special WSOP copag cards now, right?they're the cheapest pieces of garbage on the market.

i bought a dual pack of copag (for my home games), and i thought they felt really good, of course i have no experience with any other brand (kem) but isn't ignorence bliss?

[Pupsta 0]

i bought a dual pack of copag (for my home games), and i thought they felt really good, of course i have no experience with any other brand (kem) but isn't ignorence bliss?

copags get filthy after any sort of regular play in a casino, and they mark MUCh easier than kems do. i'd eat my shoe if someone could walk through every cash game that's currently being played at the rio and find one deck that doesn't have a single marked card.

[rockytrh 0]

copags get filthy after any sort of regular play in a casino, and they mark MUCh easier than kems do. i'd eat my shoe if someone could walk through every cash game that's currently being played at the rio and find one deck that doesn't have a single marked card.

so basically copags would be ok for the home game, but suck for casinos

[Pupsta 0]

so basically copags would be ok for the home game, but suck for casinos

copags are fine for something like a weekly home game, but even if you run it multiple times a week, you'll be replacing your cards pretty soon because they crease really easily

[FourFlusher 0]

This is a bonus that the shuffling machines bring to the table...it counts the cards every hand. I've been told that they don't really shuffle, some how they use an algorythym to stack them, (although that sounds fantastic to me) so, maybe they can even find two of the same cards in a 52 card deck, I dunno.They are also very much faster, the dealer only has to remove and load and deal.They do tend to rub the ink off, though.

[Pupsta 0]

This is a bonus that the shuffling machines bring to the table...it counts the cards every hand. I've been told that they don't really shuffle, some how they use an algorythym to stack them, (although that sounds fantastic to me) so, maybe they can even find two of the same cards in a 52 card deck, I dunno.They are also very much faster, the dealer only has to remove and load and deal.They do tend to rub the ink off, though.

yeah...no. the shuffling machines actually randomize the deck, they don't scan every card and place it in a specific order. also, how's a shuffling machine going to help if someone replaces a deuce with an ace? still 52, safe and sound.