Plo8 Hand (.25/.50)

[jjgoldy5 0]

Multiway pot, you are in cutoff with these hands on a flop of 255 (suits really don't matter on a paired board)There is a pot and a re-pot in front of you which essentially puts you all in.Which of the hands do you make the call with?Both players have us covered and there is a small stack left behind us.I can't see these players making those bets unless they are fighting over the high, but is it worth the risk for half of the pot? What if the small stack has an A3?I have a strong opinion on this hand , but I will wait for others to opine.

[Chamonyx 0]

cash game or tourney?cg: a346 call, a33 foldt: depends

[antistuff 0]

You can call the first one, but I think its close.For the second one, call with only a draw to half the pot? Is there something I'm missing here? Its not like the board has a2 and you have 34, you are going to get quatered here a lot.

[dingas 0]

Both of these hands are easy folds.

[Vman96 0]

The second is a ridiculously easy fold. The first....ugh...It depends on if you think someone else has A3. I don't mind a fold here, but wouldn't criticize a call here. The repot though worries me that we are already just drawing for half. I would rather wait for a better spot given the action, unless they are donkeys.

[The Czar 0]

I voted to call the first one. I think you're low warrants a call. One the second one, I drop.

[jjgoldy5 0]

Both hands are folds. It is really a math problem.You have 2 stacks who, for simplicity's sake, we will assume get it all in here with both players holding boats.If you have 100$ in front of you, and the 2 stacks acting in front of you do as well, we can assume the pot will be $300 with your call.So.On the first hand your low will get there approximately 3/4 of the time.If and only if you are sure that you will get half of the pot when the low hits is this a +EV move.(3/4) = Probability of low getting there(300) = Pot size(1/2) = Your Share112.5 (or +12.50) = Your equity in this situation.However, if you get quartered only 22% of the time here, this will be a -EV play.I think its likely that 1/4 times you run this hand, someone else will have A3.On the second hand, you are probably not going to get quartered very often since you have 2 3's in your hand.However your low only gets there about 3/5 of the time.(3/5) = Probability of low getting there(300) = Pot Size(1/2) = Your share80 (or -20) = Your equity...IF you never get quartered.I think this hand illustrates the importance of never chasing for half the pot... especially if you do not have counterfeit protection.Similarly, if you have a hand like AA34 in this situation, and even have 2 outs for the scoop, you can be quartered here over 50% of the time and still be +EV

[The Czar 0]

Nice post JJ, I stand corrected. This doesn't take into account implied odds, though, right? My guess is if you hit your low on the turn, the implied odds aren't that high anyways since you're looking at a split. Is this correct?Edit: You're essentially All-in, nevermind. But if you weren't does this change your play at all?

[jjgoldy5 0]

Nice post JJ, I stand corrected. This doesn't take into account implied odds, though, right? My guess is if you hit your low on the turn, the implied odds aren't that high anyways since you're looking at a split. Is this correct?Edit: You're essentially All-in, nevermind. But if you weren't does this change your play at all?

Now that I look at this, my math is a bit off on the percentage of times being quartered to break even... let me recheck... ok its right now

[Sluggo 0]

They are both easy folds.