Horse Final Table

[cwik 0]

lol, I wanna see Jim Bechtel win this.

You do know that Jim Bechtel won the ME before right? I think it was 1993 if I remember correctly.

http://cardplayer.com/players/results/Jim_Bechtel/41318card player doesn't agree with that.

[Load of Mischief 0]

Greatest final table ever - uh, other than Jim Betchel. Is the Jim Betchel comment serious or a joke? Didn't he win the main event in 1993, or is this a different Jim Betchel?EDIT: Oh I see I'm not the only one to quesiton this? Cardplayer has two entries for Betchel both with the same hometown but one listed as James and one Jim. Is this the same person?http://www.cardplayer.com/players/results/James_Bechtel_II/5085

[benhoug 0]

lol, I wanna see Jim Bechtel win this.http://cardplayer.com/players/results/Jim_Bechtel/41318card player doesn't agree with that.

Yup, he won it.http://pokerdb.thehendonmob.com/player.php?a=r&n=17

[Foulky 0]

lol, I wanna see Jim Bechtel win this.http://cardplayer.com/players/results/Jim_Bechtel/41318card player doesn't agree with that.

They don't huh? Well explain this then.CarplayerI see Behhoug has already taken care of it for me. But the guy in the link cwik has up there looks alot like the Jim Bechtel that won the ME in 1993. If you want to find out if a player won a tournament years ago you have to look at his career stats, not his 2006 stats.

[cen 0]

they aren't starting the final table until 9 tonight since they played 19 hours yesterday!

[reedmcneal 0]

If NL hold'em is the most skillful game, why isn't IT used to weed out the lesser players? Maybe because it's NOT the most skillful game? Maybe?I'd have to say stud/8 requires the most skill. It requires far greater card reading ability than hold'em and you can't turn it into a preflop all-in fest.I think changing games at the end of a tournament is garbage. It's a HORSE tournament, it should stay that way until the end.

Ummm, I think you are ignoring the obvious. NLHE isn't used to weed out the players because EVERYONE is familiar with it. How many internet Joes are familiar with Razz, Stud, Stud H/L, and Omaha H/L. There are very few people in the world who are proficient at all of those games, and those who aren't are at a huge disadvantage.The pros wanted this type of structure, and obviously ESPN loved it too. I am getting tired of people whining about this. Believe me, 8,000 others have already complained about it, and we don't need to hear your take on why this is a travesty. Finally not including no limit hold'em as a game when you are trying to find the best all around poker player would yield something less than accurate."Limit poker is a science, but no-limit is an art. In limit, you are shooting at a target. In no-limit, the target comes alive and shoots back at you." -Jack Strauss

[cwik 0]

They don't huh? Well explain this then.CarplayerI see Behhoug has already taken care of it for me. But the guy in the link cwik has up there looks alot like the Jim Bechtel that won the ME in 1993. If you want to find out if a player won a tournament years ago you have to look at his career stats, not his 2006 stats.

I just clicked on the link from the cardplayer chip counts, that took me too that. Says his life time winnings are $7,578. something like the WSOP main event is something strange to leave out of a guys profile.

[reedmcneal 0]

Greatest final table ever - uh, other than Jim Betchel.

Jim Bechtel is no slouch...From Wikipedia:Jim Bechtel is an American professional poker player.Bechtel has played in the World Series of Poker for many years. In 1986, 1988, and 1989 he finished in the money at the main event, but at the 1993 event he took the top prize of $1 million and his first and only WSOP bracelet.Bechtel is known as a quiet player, and he doesn't play in many tournaments, mainly just the large ones like the WSOP and World Poker Tour events.As of 2006, his total live tournament winnings exceed $1,700,000.Bechtel currently resides in Gilbert, Arizona.From Hendon Mob:08-Jul-06 $ 1,000 No Limit Hold'em37th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2006, Las Vegas 72nd $ 2,028 02-Jul-06 $ 3,000 Limit Hold'em37th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2006, Las Vegas 35th $ 4,582 30-Jun-06 $ 2,500 Short Handed No Limit Hold'em37th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2006, Las Vegas 39th $ 8,528 27-Jun-06 $ 1,500 No Limit Hold'em37th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2006, Las Vegas 78th $ 7,578 16-Feb-06 $ 9,600 Championship Event - No Limit Hold'em2006 L.A. Poker Classic, Los Angeles 35th $ 26,573 13-Jun-05 $ 2,000 Pot Limit Omaha36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 10th $ 16,190 04-Jun-05 $ 1,500 Pot Limit Hold'em36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 24th $ 7,390 03-Jun-05 $ 1,500 No Limit Hold'em36th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2005, Las Vegas 62nd $ 6,360 18-Apr-05 $ 25,000 Main Event (WPT) - No Limit Hold'em ChampionshipThird Annual Five-Star World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 69th $ 30,000 03-Jul-04 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em Championship Final DayFesta al Lago II, Las Vegas 23rd $ 10,381 15-Dec-03 $ 10,000 WPT No Limit Hold'em Championship2003 Bellagio Five-Diamond World Poker Classic, Las Vegas 10th $ 34,917 01-Sep-03 $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em Main Event - WPT2003 Legends of Poker, Los Angeles 15th $ 15,450 18-May-02 $ 5,000 Deuce to Seven No-Limit33rd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2002, Las Vegas 5th $ 16,020 14-May-01 $ 10,000 Championship Event32nd World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2001, Las Vegas 23rd $ 39,960 28-Apr-00 $ 1,500 Pot Limit Omaha31st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2000, Las Vegas 7th $ 11,215 24-Apr-00 $ 2,000 Limit Hold'em31st World Series of Poker (WSOP) 2000, Las Vegas 11th $ 11,905 28-Jan-99 $ 5,000 Championship Event - No Limit Hold'emCarnivale of Poker II, Las Vegas 8th $ 20,300 22-Apr-97 $ 2,000 Limit Hold'em28th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1997, Las Vegas 12th $ 13,056 19-Sep-96 $ 5,085 No Limit Hold'em - Championship Finals1996 Four Queens Poker Classic, Las Vegas 4th $ 19,600 10-May-96 $ 2,500 No Limit Hold'em27th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1996, Las Vegas 22nd $ 3,337 07-Feb-96 $ 1,000 No Limit Hold'emSuper Bowl of Poker, Los Angeles 5th $ 3,135 16-Dec-95 $ 1,500 Limit Hold'emHall of Fame Poker Classic 1995, Las Vegas 5th $ 14,625 14-Dec-95 $ 3,000 No Limit Deuce to Seven DrawHall of Fame Poker Classic 1995, Las Vegas 4th $ 16,200 Sep-95 $ 500 No Limit Hold'em1995 Four Queens Poker Classic, Las Vegas 6th $ 4,638 12-Jun-95 $ 500 Deuce to Seven DrawQueens Poker Classic Summer Edition, Las Vegas 3rd $ 6,150 10-May-95 $ 2,500 Hold'em Pot Limit26th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1995, Las Vegas 9th $ 6,112 27-Feb-95 $ 1,000 Deuce to Seven DrawLA Poker Classic IV, Los Angeles 3rd $ 9,525 11-Jan-95 $ 2,500 Deuce to Seven DrawQueens Poker Classic V, Las Vegas 5th $ 6,250 Dec-94 $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em - Championship EventHall of Fame Poker Classic 1994, Las Vegas 3rd $ 55,200 Dec-94 $ 2,500 No Limit Deuce to Seven DrawHall of Fame Poker Classic 1994, Las Vegas 4th $ 11,750 Nov-94 $ 105 Hold'emTexas Hold'em Tournament, Scottsdale 6th $ 2,000 24-Jul-94 $ 500 No Limit Hold'emGold Coast Open, Las Vegas 8th $ 2,175 24-Jan-94 $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'emQueens Poker Classic IV, Las Vegas 3rd $ 70,500 12-Jan-94 $ 2,500 No Limit Deuce To 7 LowballQueens Poker Classic IV, Las Vegas 1st $ 60,750 10-May-93 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship24th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1993, Las Vegas 1st $ 1,000,000 22-Jan-93 $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em - Championship EventQueens Poker Classic V, Las Vegas 4th $ 29,400 10-Jan-93 $ 500 No Limit Hold'emQueens Poker Classic V, Las Vegas 8th $ 1,480 09-Nov-92 $ 5,000 No Limit Hold'em - Championship EventHall of Fame Poker Classic 1992, Las Vegas 1st $ 214,000 15-May-89 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship20th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1989, Las Vegas 31st $ 7,500 May-88 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship19th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1988, Las Vegas 6th $ 49,000 12-May-86 $ 10,000 No Limit Hold'em World Championship17th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1986, Las Vegas 11th $ 12,500 May-79 $ 1,500 No Limit Hold'em10th World Series of Poker (WSOP) 1979, Las Vegas

[Mercury69 3]

Brunson is the absolute bomb!

[Foulky 0]

I just clicked on the link from the cardplayer chip counts, that took me too that. Says his life time winnings are $7,578. something like the WSOP main event is something strange to leave out of a guys profile.

So are you suggesting that this is a different Jim Bechtel who resides in Arizona, or are you suggesting that Cardplayer made a mistake on his lifetime winnings?

[KDawgCometh 2]

I'm bumping this and locking the other ones

[sdnuol 0]

So are you suggesting that this is a different Jim Bechtel who resides in Arizona, or are you suggesting that Cardplayer made a mistake on his lifetime winnings?

what do you think?

[SilentSnow 1]

after day 1 rank listed to the right1-Jim Bechtel $841,000 182-Doyle Brunson $1,227,000 603-Chip Reese $1,756,000 254-Dewey Tomko $438,000 755-Andy Bloch $934,000 66-T.J. Cloutier $351,000 527-David Singer $745,000 748-Patrik Antonius $13,000 29-Phil Ivey $885,000 4310-robert williamson 8111-gavin smith 4812-barry greenstein 112everybody always talks about the significance of getting a chip stack,but in this tournament, an early chip stack had almost nothing to do with who got to the top. so is the importance of chips overrated, or is thistournament a huge exception to the rule?but the weird thing is, if you are going to say that this just shows the best playersrise to the top, then why did they do so poorly on day one, with the same format?

[greatwhite 0]

Bump. 1/2 an hour left.

[grocery_mony 8]

i cant remember ever seeing such a stacked final table. they should make a dvd available that shows every hand played at this ft.

[iggymcfly 0]

everybody always talks about the significance of getting a chip stack,but in this tournament, an early chip stack had almost nothing to do with who got to the top. so is the importance of chips overrated, or is thistournament a huge exception to the rule?

That quote's more relevant for NL/PL tournaments where big stacks can use extra FE to bully the small stacks around. In limit tournaments, day one results are much less significant.

[gkunit20 1]

I would be shocked if Antonius pulls this off.However, I'm pulling for the chip leader in this one. I think It will be:9. Antonius8. Block7. Cloutier6. Bechtel5. Tomko4. Singer3. Brunson2. Ivey1. Reese

[Foulky 0]

what do you think?

I would hope that he is suggesting that cardplayer made a mistake, which isnt anything new, but he said it was strange that cardplayer failed to have that he won the 93 ME in his bio. So idk because i don't know him (the poster) well enough. If he follows tourney action on cardplayer often he would have probably realized that they made a mistake, and would have looked at his career stats at another site, like the hendon mob site, before trying to disprove my point that he was the 93 ME champion.

[gkunit20 1]

Setting the O/U on hands till Antonius is eliminated at 4.

[wsox8 10]

Fri Jul 14 21:14:00 PDT 2006Play Set To BeginESPN is finishing up preparations on the final table and then play will begin.

Setting the O/U on hands till Antonius is eliminated at 4.

what are the blinds?

[gkunit20 1]

Fri Jul 14 21:14:00 PDT 2006Play Set To BeginESPN is finishing up preparations on the final table and then play will begin.what are the blinds?

I have no idea.

[greatwhite 0]

Setting the O/U on hands till Antonius is eliminated at 4.

I'd take the under. The O/U is probablly like 1.5.

[Murphinator 0]

I'd still take the under if it was set at 2

[randy 0]

place your bets on the winner peopleim going Ivey followed by Reece. I would go doyle but he has Reece on his left which bites

[XXEddie 0]

I have no idea.

I believe 10k/20k2 hands MAX before going allin, dont know about losing. with 2k ante(maybe 3k) that only gives him 6 hands, so he'll push the first paint card he sees.