Yoda 1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Very mature. Let's degrade this discussion to name calling, shall we? I truly did not want this thread to become a Republicans vs. Democrats discussion. There are plenty of threads like that already. However, there's no way that I could let that completely false post go un-corrected. Thanks for your valuable contribution to this important thread.If you consider "Liar" name calling your just sad. You said you don't want to turn it into a political discussion then proceeded to wax political for half a page. Get real. Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Seems to me that guilty consciences play a bigger part in the passing of this bill than actual politics:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6071100084.html Link to post Share on other sites
Scanner313 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Reading through this thread, I can't believe more of you guys aren't really pissed about this. The hypocritical gov't is basically telling people how they can and can't spend their hard earned money. You can't ban one form of online gambling in poker and not ban the other in horse racing and lotteries. It's ridiculous. If someone lost their house on horse racing, do you think Congress would care? Hell no, they make money off of it. I'm so pissed about this it's not even funny. What's worse is there's nothing we can do about it because everyone that runs for office is a money sucking crook.Amen! Link to post Share on other sites
ColeSLaw 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Teenagers make me laugh. They know nothing about history.By history, you mean comedy films from 1978? It's hard to gauge your tone. Link to post Share on other sites
SonicReducer 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Bush will veto it for us! Go Bush!Bush already said he'd sign it. Link to post Share on other sites
TandtheMan88 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Bush already said he'd sign it.When is the vote in the Senate going to take place? Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 When is the vote in the Senate going to take place?Supposedly I hear now that the vote has to take place before Novemeber. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Supposedly I hear now that the vote has to take place before Novemeber.Right, or else congress goes out of session until we get a new congress and they have to start over. Link to post Share on other sites
meservery 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Seems to me that guilty consciences play a bigger part in the passing of this bill than actual politics:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6071100084.html "Proponents of the crackdown said the industry, which is mostly based overseas, provides a front for money laundering, some of it by drug sellers and terrorist groups, while preying on children and gambling addicts."I have read this particular reason in many places. Where is the evidence of this? Is it something where the government has found ONE case of the above and labels the whole industry terrorists... Link to post Share on other sites
TandtheMan88 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Proponents of online gaming bans often cite “money laundering”as justification for prohibition. However, nobody has been able toshow a single case of money laundering via online poker.from Pokerstarsemail them for information about the issue. They have some interesting facts. Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 By history, you mean comedy films from 1978? It's hard to gauge your tone.obviously that is what I meant... what else could I mean? That I thought the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Get a clue. Link to post Share on other sites
ColeSLaw 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Well, with an av and sig like that, I wasn't sure.Plus, the fact that you consider 1978 'history' is itself a joke.So I wasn't sure.Not that this adds anything to the discussion on the bill itself.Hope this helps! Link to post Share on other sites
mulhs82 2 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Right, or else congress goes out of session until we get a new congress and they have to start over.That would be great. Link to post Share on other sites
76clubs 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 wow, i never knew the democrats hated onlinepoker so much.me niether....This is surprising news to me. Im all for online poker, and I am a huge liberal... Link to post Share on other sites
HonestPirate 0 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 It has very little to do with the democrats or the republicans. It all has to due with the dollars bet at traditional gaming places like, Vegas, Alantic city and all horse and dogs tracks. THEIR handles are way down. Instead of blaming the situation on themselves and start coming up with great promotions to get the betting dollar back to their establishments they blame it all on internet gambling and off shore betting. What it has to do with is the influence that owners of the casinos and tracks have on the rebuplicans and democrates and maybe even incentives.Drink Rum! Link to post Share on other sites
SFkid 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 This is really scary that this bill is even getting to the senate. Link to post Share on other sites
SPADES21 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 So what are the actual repercussions of this bill going to be?Are they going to ban online sites? This seems pretty improbable since they can't do it with illegal music downloads.Are they going to not allow payment via credit card or sites like neteller? If this is the case I would imagine they would find ways around this like sending them a check or money order of some kind.Where there's a will there's a way. So I dont see any of this "shutting down" online poker, the government gets pretty lazy about stuff like this:i.e. napster, ares, limewire, kazza etc.If someone knows more about this please let me know what the proposed effects are going to be. Link to post Share on other sites
Yoda 1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 So what are the actual repercussions of this bill going to be?Are they going to ban online sites? This seems pretty improbable since they can't do it with illegal music downloads.Are they going to not allow payment via credit card or sites like neteller? If this is the case I would imagine they would find ways around this like sending them a check or money order of some kind.Where there's a will there's a way. So I dont see any of this "shutting down" online poker, the government gets pretty lazy about stuff like this:i.e. napster, ares, limewire, kazza etc.If someone knows more about this please let me know what the proposed effects are going to be.I'll admit - if this turns out to be another "We banned napster and now you can't download free music" fad then we will all get a good laugh out of it. That was pretty ridiculous. They sent out some fines and a couple court cases - nothing really changed. But this one feels a little more broad and scary - only time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites
Sens-Eh 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 They did a mention of this bill on the Daily show tonight with Jon Stewart's usual brand of humor pointing out how online horse race betting is still going to be ok for some reason.. Link to post Share on other sites
rivercardbandit 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Our best chance is for the Senate not to vote on this before this session of Congress ends and have the Bill die.As others have already stated, it really is not a matter of Republican/Democrat or Conservative/Liberal. Although poker has become much more socially acceptable, it still has a bad stigma outside "poker circles". I encourage everyone to write to their Senators and Representatives, but this will do little to convince them to sway their vote one way or another. The 18-25 year-old demographic traditionally has the lowest voter turnout in elections and it has been stated this is the majority of the poker demographic although I think there are more 25-45 year-old players than others think.From a political standpoint, the country is being run into the ground by both sides. With front-page headlining issues like the war on terror, immigration, North Korea/Iran nuclear crisis', gas prices and corporate corruption, poker is not enough of a hot button issue for the politicians to care one way or the other. We're outnumbered on this as the majority of the "voting" Americans are not going to get up in arms about this, even though they should be since Congress keeps taking our personal liberties away in the name of "protecting our children" or "public morals" or whatever other label they want to use. The politicians we keep electing think we are incapable of personal responsibility on the whole and know whats best for us. I don't have the answer on how to fix this; it will take a much smarter person or group of people than I to come up with a solution that will grab the attention of the voting majority to make a difference.Maybe I'm too tired and not making sense or I'm way off base and insane, but felt compelled to voice my opinion.bandit out.by the way, I had my 1st ever royal flush last night after 3 years and 50k hands. I was in a single table SNG which I ended up winning. Hooray for me! Link to post Share on other sites
Eclypse 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Let’s look at what’s REALLY going on here. Although 92% of Republicans in the House voted in favor of the anti-internet-gambling bill, they really don’t care if we gamble on-line or not. What they DO care about, is winning an election by making the Democrats appear immoral. That’s what this is REALLY all about.They want to be able to say, “so-n-so refused to support a bill that would keep our children from gambling their lives away.”I’m voting 100% against every Republican. Even the few that I like. I’m sick of this crap. Link to post Share on other sites
UncleHoot 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I’m voting 100% against every Republican. Even the few that I like. I’m sick of this crap.I've never voted against any Republican before, but I'm seriously considering it this election, basically because of these types of issues.I never liked Newt, but now I miss Newt. But he's also probably against online Poker... Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 you guys realize that out of 485 representatives only something like 92 voted against this, right? It obviously has nothing to do with partys... but the fact that online gambling is bad for society. And it is. Although I will hate to see it go. Link to post Share on other sites
76clubs 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Internet poker is +EVRepublicans are -EV Link to post Share on other sites
bascomeb 0 Posted July 14, 2006 Share Posted July 14, 2006 Kerry lost. Bush won. I'm a liberal idiot who thinks that we shoudn't have gone to IraqFYP Link to post Share on other sites
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