Yoda 1 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 The best way to shoot this down is find out what committy this bill will go to and find out who the sentors are and who the chairmen is and let them know how you feel and really have people from there states let them know how they feel and try to kill it in committy.Committy huh? That made me But seriously, this bills days of needing approval from a commitee are long over. This happens BEFORE it goes to the house and senate. We are one vote and one signature away from the mother of all government fuck ups. Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 epistemic: why cant you?YOU CANNOT CREATE AN ACCOUNT IF YOU LIVE IN THE STATE. So if you went to 7-eleven and got a money order, you would have no account to send it to.Somehow the state of Maryland told Neteller to restrict access to the site for all of it's residents. And Neteller said okay. So if the Federal government said Mr. Neteller, restrict access to the site for our citizens, I think they would bend over quickly. Link to post Share on other sites
teddyKGB 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 YOU CANNOT CREATE AN ACCOUNT IF YOU LIVE IN THE STATE. So if you went to 7-eleven and got a money order, you would have no account to send it to.Somehow the state of Maryland told Neteller to restrict access to the site for all of it's residents. And Neteller said okay. So if the Federal government said Mr. Neteller, restrict access to the site for our citizens, I think they would bend over quickly.what about Epassporte...thats what I have Link to post Share on other sites
KDawgCometh 2 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 The meat of the bill says that it will be illegal for US Credit Card companies to knowingly allow gaming charges, it will be illegal to use credit cards to gamble online, etc.Unless you're betting on horses. Which is like playing keno. Especially if your horse breaks his leg. It also give the fed gov the right to "assist" banking institutions with tracking down violators of this law.I'd give it 50-50 to pass the Senate. The problem is, gambling institutions are SUPPORTING this bill. Casinos and horse tracks want it, because then to play poker or gamble, you have to go there instead of staying home. Goodlatte can say he is against all forms of gambling, but those supporting his bill think otherwise. I'm really, really pssed off about this specific fact.Meanwhile, I'm screwed sitting here in Richmond, VA, 6 hours away from the nearest poker room.I would say that if you still want to play online and this gets passed by the Senate, put as much as you can into a Neteller/Firepay account before Bush signs it.you still will be able to put money into neteller and firepay if this does pass. American credit card companies already for the most part barr you from using them at a online gambling site. This bill doesn't prevent you from using your bank account through an intermediary to still play online poker or bet on sports. Really, this bill is a whole lot of nothing. I'd also like to point out that if it does pass in the senate, it will get chopped up a lot and be relativly meaningless. Riders constantly happen on bills in the senate and they usually have to chop them up a lot to get them to pass, the same will most likely happen with this bill. how will this effect cashing out our online winnings?it won't as long as you still use neteller or firepay. this bill doesn't affect those means of depositing/withdrawl Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Money talks... someone will line some pockets.writing senators is a good idea and sure do it. I have.. Join the PPA too. You all owe it to poker to spent the $20 on a membership. You get an awesome t-shirt out of it too.epistemic: why cant you?What does this all mean?Let's put it this way....If on-line poker was a cruise ship it just hit a very large Iceberg. We are taking on water folks.The problem is the potential rescuers are the billion dollar casino conglomorates like MGM and Harrahs, and they would actually be better off if the ship SANK!The horseracing and lotteries are already entrenched and that money is taxed so they will leave that alone. This is indeed a dark day for online gaming. Link to post Share on other sites
Uppie_ 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Committy huh? That made me But seriously, this bills days of needing approval from a commitee are long over. This happens BEFORE it goes to the house and senate. We are one vote and one signature away from the mother of all government fuck ups.oh ya thats how you spell commitee i knew it was wrong just couldn't figure out what was right so i went with it. If we are only one Vote away we are in big trouble of it being passed, about the only other way i can see fighting this bill would be taking to to the supreme court and challenging it as unconsituational as it violates the tenth amendment. it states The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.How ever the Federal goverment steps around this by using the commerce clause it gives authority to pass laws in realms of human behavior not mentioned in the Constitution. If a particular activity affects interstate commerce in any way, they have argued, that Congress has the authority to regulate that activity.So then it comes down to does Internet gambling affect interstate commerce, that i belive my friends is a yes. but we can hope.heres the link i got most of it from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendme...es_Constitution Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Just another reason to be conservative and not liberal.GO BUSH!fuck Bushbesides the bill still has to pass the Senate which it probably won't Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Bush has nothing to do with this one.It's all about the hard core Christian right and CASH! Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Bush has nothing to do with this one.It's all about the hard core Christian right and CASH! finally someone else figured that out Link to post Share on other sites
TandtheMan88 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Many American presidents and politicians have been pokerplayers. This list includes Presidents Calvin Coolidge, Harry Truman,and Richard Nixon. The US Supreme Court holds a regular poker game(Anthony Scalia runs it now that former Chief Justice WilliamRehnquist is deceased). So does the National Press Club inWashington. Poker is played during breaks by member of the New YorkPhilharmonic and regularly in Hollywood. No doubt, some of these samepeople play poker online, too.from Pokerstars Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 the Internet... "the crack cocaine" of gamblingThere are no needle marks. There's no alcohol on the breath. You just click the mouse and lose your house Link to post Share on other sites
TandtheMan88 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 You can write directly to yourmember of Congress by using the following link.http://www.house.gov/writerep/ Link to post Share on other sites
brvheart 1,752 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 My rep was one of the two guys who wrote the bill, so I'm out of luck. Plus I think the other 6 are on vacation. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 You can write directly to yourmember of Congress by using the following link.http://www.house.gov/writerep/ I can't do that...one of our local legislators wants to go as far as shutting down every single casino in the state of Illinois saying they are the root of all crime and immoralization in the state. Obviously he has never been to East St. Louis, IL or Metropolis, IL to see how those communities are prospering from the casinos in their respective cities. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 You can write directly to yourmember of Congress by using the following link.http://www.house.gov/writerep/ I'm at work and don't have time to look through seven pages of posts, but you all can see if your rep voted for or against this bill here.http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll363.xml Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I can't do that...one of our local legislators wants to go as far as shutting down every single casino in the state of Illinois saying they are the root of all crime and immoralization in the state. Obviously he has never been to East St. Louis, IL or Metropolis, IL to see how those communities are prospering from the casinos in their respective cities. Or Gary, IN.(Sorry, didn't wanna rain on the parade, but I had to do it) Link to post Share on other sites
SBriand 4 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Or Gary, IN.(Sorry, didn't wanna rain on the parade, but I had to do it)Went there last year. Kind of scary. Link to post Share on other sites
mulhs82 2 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 How ever the Federal goverment steps around this by using the commerce clause it gives authority to pass laws in realms of human behavior not mentioned in the Constitution. If a particular activity affects interstate commerce in any way, they have argued, that Congress has the authority to regulate that activity.So then it comes down to does Internet gambling affect interstate commerce, that i belive my friends is a yes. but we can hope.heres the link i got most of it from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_Amendme...es_Constitution That makes sense about their arguement but they don't seem to be taking the regulatory route, they seem to be taking the prohibition route. We've seen how that worked in the past. Link to post Share on other sites
braminc 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Author Share Posted July 11, 2006 There is no way Bush would veto this ban. Ever heard of him playing poker? No, so why would he care?i havent heard of him playing, but he might qualify as the biggest fish EVER! Link to post Share on other sites
Suited_Up 2 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Went there last year. Kind of scary.Yep. You drive in... Go straight to the Casino, and leave when you're done. Nothing else! Link to post Share on other sites
epistemic 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 you still will be able to put money into neteller and firepay if this does pass. American credit card companies already for the most part barr you from using them at a online gambling site. This bill doesn't prevent you from using your bank account through an intermediary to still play online poker or bet on sports. Really, this bill is a whole lot of nothing. I'd also like to point out that if it does pass in the senate, it will get chopped up a lot and be relativly meaningless. Riders constantly happen on bills in the senate and they usually have to chop them up a lot to get them to pass, the same will most likely happen with this bill. it won't as long as you still use neteller or firepay. this bill doesn't affect those means of depositing/withdrawlLike how seriously misinformed are you?From HR 4411 itself:Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006 (Reported in House)`Sec. 5363. Prohibition on acceptance of any financial instrument for unlawful Internet gambling `No person engaged in the business of betting or wagering may knowingly accept, in connection with the participation of another person in unlawful Internet gambling-- `(1) credit, or the proceeds of credit, extended to or on behalf of such other person (including credit extended through the use of a credit card); `(2) an electronic fund transfer, or funds transmitted by or through a money transmitting business, or the proceeds of an electronic fund transfer or money transmitting service, from or on behalf of such other person; `(.3) any check, draft, or similar instrument which is drawn by or on behalf of such other person and is drawn on or payable at or through any financial institution; or `(4) the proceeds of any other form of financial transaction, as the Secretary and the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may jointly prescribe by regulation, which involves a financial institution as a payor or financial intermediary on behalf of or for the benefit of such other person. Link to post Share on other sites
HonestPirate 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 From Standardbred Canada Web site:House Passes Online Wagering RestrictionsJuly 11, 2006The House of Representatives passed a bill on Tuesday making it illegal for banks and credit card companies to make payments to online gaming sites.The online gaming industry generates approximately $12-billion annually, half of which is estimated to originate in the United States.This bill does not affect online betting on horse racing, as an amendment designed to limit all forms of online wagering was defeated by a vote of 297 to 114.The Senate must approve this bill before the November elections for it to become law.Related Story:Online Wagering Under Attack, July 10, 2006.http://www.standardbredcanada.ca/news/iss0...ctions0711.htmlSo mates ye can still bet the ponys. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 sorry if its been asked :does the bill affect cashouts? Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I gotta admit, my last comments were insensitive. This is almost as bad as when they took away napster. Honestly, I hope that this thing doesnt go through, but unfortunately, there's no money to fight for our side. Money=power. Can't expect Calvin Ayre to do all of this. Unless he secretly is Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 I gotta admit, my last comments were insensitive. This is almost as bad as when they took away napster. Honestly, I hope that this thing doesnt go through, but unfortunately, there's no money to fight for our side. Money=power. Can't expect Calvin Ayre to do all of this. Unless he secretly is Jesus.Partygamming ALONE has enuf money to pay a lobbyist more money than Ibrahmoff was making. Link to post Share on other sites
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