EBLegend 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 This hand was from today's PP Million...Just moved to table one orbit ago, so no real reads. Only standout is that big stack has raised past 3 hands.Blinds at 2000/4000 w/ ante. I'm in SB.Big stack raises from MP (3 off button) to 10K. I repop from SB to 25K. BB thinks for a while then goes all in for another 31K approx. I folded thinking his range was (with my limited information/read) 10-10+ AQ+. My issues is that I folded getting nearly 3-1 on my money which I don't think is a good move, even though it was for more than half of my stack and would have essentially crippled me. BTW, at that point we were down to approx 400 players and already in the money.Any thoughts on what to do in this situation?***** Hand History for Game 4693738886 *****NL Texas Hold'em Trny:25796281 Level:13 Blinds-Antes(2000/4000-100) - Sunday, July 09, 20:50:12 ET 2006Table Sunday Million Guaranteed(753305) Table #13 (Real Money)Seat 3 is the buttonTotal number of players : 10Seat 1: karakel ( $47845 )Seat 2: noblewins ( $121621 )Seat 3: jellopudding ( $30697 )Seat 4: EB_Legend ( $90269 )Seat 5: cu1mi1con ( $55757 )Seat 6: catlicker222 ( $25857 )Seat 7: stortap ( $74858 )Seat 8: BOBCATSPEGAL ( $103172 )Seat 9: HANK_TH_TANK ( $104886 )Seat 10: Str8_ForWard ( $129695 )Trny:25796281 Level:13Blinds-Antes(2000/4000-100)karakel posts ante [100].noblewins posts ante [100].jellopudding posts ante [100].EB_Legend posts ante [100].cu1mi1con posts ante [100].catlicker222 posts ante [100].stortap posts ante [100].BOBCATSPEGAL posts ante [100].HANK_TH_TANK posts ante [100].Str8_ForWard posts ante [100].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to EB_Legend [ Kd Td ]catlicker222 folds.stortap folds.BOBCATSPEGAL folds.HANK_TH_TANK folds.Str8_ForWard raises [10000].karakel folds.noblewins folds.jellopudding folds.EB_Legend raises [23000].cu1mi1con is all-In.Str8_ForWard folds.EB_Legend folds.cu1mi1con does not show cards.cu1mi1con wins 91657 chipsThanks. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I think you gotta call that. You still have some chips if you lose it, and getting 3-1 on a nice fat pot, go for it. KTs is good enough. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Big stack raises from MP (3 off button) to 10K. I repop from SB to 25K why? Link to post Share on other sites
EBLegend 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 why?He had raised 3 straight hands and I felt I was ahead of him and was hoping to take it down pf (I still feel I was ahead him). It was just unfortunate the BB woke up with a real hand apparently. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Meh, I agree with Actuary here, I hate this reraise preflop. If you know he is super aggro, fold this hand here, and punish him with a better hand in better position. You could easily be behind this guy, if though he is very aggressive, in fact you could easily be dominated. As played, I think you have to call the BB's all in. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 He had raised 3 straight hands and I felt I was ahead of him and was hoping to take it down pf (I still feel I was ahead him). It was just unfortunate the BB woke up with a real hand apparently.u present him with a 40k for 15k propostion, and you think he ever folds that after raising preflop..in pos with his stack ?**********holy moly..I just read it more clearly... Big Stack folds to the push, well, he probably was concerned you might ReRaiss, I guess. So Big Stack kind of got squeezed. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 I agree that it is a bad re-raise preflop. Loose players you want to punish with a big hand, or bluff him for all your chips when he can't call. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 u present him with a 40k for 15k propostion, and you think he ever folds that after raising preflop..in pos with his stack ?How come you say you suck at MTT's? from what I can tell, your advice is usually spot on. Link to post Share on other sites
timwakefield 68 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 How come you say you suck at MTT's? from what I can tell, your advice is usually spot on.QFTAlso, nice to see you in the tourney forum Grinder Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QFTAlso, nice to see you in the tourney forum Grinder TY, u2 just checking out the hands, giving my two cents Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QFTAlso, nice to see you in the tourney forum Grinder QFMFT********SnG's require less restealing and blind stealing in general.Usually one or two big hands is enough to get you to the bubble.My bubble game >>>>>>> Yelow-Orange Zone play.Patience. Endurance.It's not that I suck so much, as I"m inexperienced.Also, it seeems MTT"s require you to gamble more early to accumulate.I need to work on post flop play and lagginess and knowing when to steal a pot. Link to post Share on other sites
EBLegend 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Author Share Posted July 10, 2006 I guess I was analyzing the wrong part of the hand. I hadn't even considered the odds I was presenting to the big stack ignoring the BB.My game is fairly LAG (or so I like to think) so I might be making A reraise there with any two cards. Assuming that, what would a better reraise be - to 40K?Sidenote: This was actually my first time playing in the PP Million (or any tourney with a buy-in over $100) so my game definitely could improve.Thanks for the advice, it is greatly appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 since any respectable raise, like to 40k-ish pot commits you preflop given the blinds, pushing is acceptable.17k into your 90k stack is nice.But I'd say flat calling preflop then pushing a favorable flop, or folding preflop are both better options. Link to post Share on other sites
GrinderMJ 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 QFMFT********SnG's require less restealing and blind stealing in general.Usually one or two big hands is enough to get you to the bubble.My bubble game >>>>>>> Yelow-Orange Zone play.Patience. Endurance.It's not that I suck so much, as I"m inexperienced.Also, it seeems MTT"s require you to gamble more early to accumulate.I need to work on post flop play and lagginess and knowing when to steal a pot.My aim is Juttelstud, feel free to im me any time you want to talk over hands early from MTT's. I'm certainly no expert, but I think I could help you with some hands if you ever had questions. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 My aim is Juttelstud, feel free to im me any time you want to talk over hands early from MTT's. I'm certainly no expert, but I think I could help you with some hands if you ever had questions.thanks!I'm anti-social though! Link to post Share on other sites
Footballguru 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 i must say im surprised by the responses here to the OPs re raise preflop. i like this play? is that a bad thing? the guy has been stealing every time...you have to re pop him and show him your blind cant be taken. the cards here dont matter, i like this re raise based on the information given. over the last month and a half i have become much more succesful at MTTs because of reraising stealers preflop and sometimes on the flop. if you watch highly succesful players they re raise preflop a lot...just my opinion Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 i must say im surprised by the responses here to the OPs re raise preflop. i like this play? is that a bad thing? the guy has been stealing every time...you have to re pop him and show him your blind cant be taken. the cards here dont matter, i like this re raise based on the information given. over the last month and a half i have become much more succesful at MTTs because of reraising stealers preflop and sometimes on the flop. if you watch highly succesful players they re raise preflop a lot...just my opinionwhat Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 Football,the amout of the raise accomplishes nothing, unless we are pushing any flop, imo. Being OOP, and presenting such a good price.We never take this preflopthat being said, I need to add proper restealing as well. Link to post Share on other sites
DrZebra 0 Posted July 10, 2006 Share Posted July 10, 2006 there are only two choices in this hand:shove preflopfold preflopthey can both be argued to be correct given read on bully, but one has higher variance."repop" to 25 is -B-A-D- bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Rocketwadster 0 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 Re-raise pre-flop sucks IMO. Push or fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted July 11, 2006 Share Posted July 11, 2006 why is flat calling so bad preflop ?And push a favorable flop. Link to post Share on other sites
iggymcfly 0 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 If you ask me, the weak reraise is nowhere near as bad as folding to the push from the short-stack. The only hands we have the right odds to fold to are KK and AA. Still though, I think this is a bad spot for a reraise. We've got a weak hand and with our stack being 9x the raise, we basically have to commit 90,000 chips to win 10,000. With the blinds and our stack they are, I think you're going to have to wait for a premium hand to reraise.If you want to reraise without completely committing yourself though, I'd actually raise a little less to something like 21K so that you can really make the big stack fear AA, have an easier steal on the flop, and still have an exit strategy if he really connects. Link to post Share on other sites
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