Devorzon 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Normally they wouldn't bother with $1500 buy in tourneys, but I'm thinking they just want to make it to the final table to be on ESPN? So, they will slum it and play every possible tourney the can in the WSOP just so they can possibly get tv time? Isn't that kind of lame? Are they that desperate for attention, and maybe hoping they too will be as popular and recognzed as say, Phil Helmuth? I'm sure it eats at DN about how a player he believes is so inferior to him is getting all kinds of attention like the VH1 reality show. Link to post Share on other sites
bigeasy 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Normally they wouldn't bother with $1500 buy in tourneys, but I'm thinking they just want to make it to the final table to be on ESPN? So, they will slum it and play every possible tourney the can in the WSOP just so they can possibly get tv time? Isn't that kind of lame? Are they that desperate for attention, and maybe hoping they too will be as popular and recognzed as say, Phil Helmuth? I'm sure it eats at DN about how a player he believes is so inferior to him is getting all kinds of attention like the VH1 reality show.Two words Prizepools and bracelets Link to post Share on other sites
Andr4w 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Probably because it is much more difficult to win a bracelet these days because of the numbers of people entering. Also I guess some of them are sponsored so they are obliged to play Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 dammit... Link to post Share on other sites
ricker 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 this guy is kidding right? That's the only thing that would make sense to me. Link to post Share on other sites
DudeSurprise 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 You know, I've read some stupid topics over the last couple days while lurking...but this one, this one is just special. Link to post Share on other sites
StrippersNBlow 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Normally they wouldn't bother with $1500 buy in tourneys, but I'm thinking they just want to make it to the final table to be on ESPN? So, they will slum it and play every possible tourney the can in the WSOP just so they can possibly get tv time? Isn't that kind of lame? Are they that desperate for attention, and maybe hoping they too will be as popular and recognzed as say, Phil Helmuth? I'm sure it eats at DN about how a player he believes is so inferior to him is getting all kinds of attention like the VH1 reality show.You're in Vegas. Take your happy *** down to the Rio and ask one of them. Link to post Share on other sites
Foote9 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 This guy has to be kidding right??? come on do you honestly think these pros play to be on TV??? Bracelets and Prize Pool....they can turn 1500 into 355 000 Link to post Share on other sites
kennyg1966 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 good return on their money!!but i know where the OP is coming from...how many pro's would buy into a 1500.00 WSOP circuit event ??NONE...but the 1200-1400 entrants in the WSOP makes it worth while!! Link to post Share on other sites
TheCinciKid 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Hmm....let's see....Bracelets, BIG possible return on investment. Not to mention the fact that some guy who posted on here about an event he played in said that there's a rumor that several of the high stakes players have a large bet on who wins the first bracelet this year. That alone could get these guys playing ever event. Link to post Share on other sites
AWaaz 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Yeah... Pro's should only be allowed to play 10k events and up... greedy bastards.... Dumbest question ever +1.... Link to post Share on other sites
telefonlur 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 come on do you honestly think these pros play to be on TV???TV exposure can be pretty valuable. Link to post Share on other sites
jackoffsuit 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 sponsors. Their sponsors want their logos on ESPN. The pros are getting paid by the sponsors I would assume. They probably get a bonus if they make a final table or win a bracelet. Link to post Share on other sites
tentenoffsuit 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Pretty sure DN posted in his blog last year about going to the Rio to buy into all the WSOP events... I'm sure it's just easier for the pros to buy into every event and then cancel if they're not going to play. I think its because it's the beginning of the world series they all got the fire to play right now and they'll start skipping some events towards the end to rest. I know if i was a pro and i had the br to play every event i'd show up to these small ones and just try to accumulate a crazy amount of chips early or go bust... Link to post Share on other sites
Jeepster80125 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Maybe it has something to do with the fact that some of these players like to play games other than hold em. June 25 Satellites/Live Action begins June 26 1 Casino Employee No-Limit Event (2 day event) $500 June 27 2 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,500 June 28 3 Pot-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,500 June 29 4 Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,500 June 30 5 Short Handed (6/table) No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $2,500 July 1 6 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $2,000 July 2 7 Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $3,000 July 3 8 Omaha Hi-low Split (3 day event) $2,000 July 4 9 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $5,000 July 5 10 Seven Card Stud (3 day event) $1,500 July 6 11 Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,500 July 6 12 Omaha Hi-low Split (2 day event) $5,000 July 7 13 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $2,500 July 8 14 No-Limit Hold'em w/re-buys (3 day event) $1,000 July 9 15 Ladies Event No-Limit Hold'em (2 day event) $1,000 July 9 16 Pot-Limit Omaha (3 day event) $10,000 July 10 17 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,000 July 11 18 Pot-Limit Hold'em (2 day event) $2,000 July 12 19 Seniors No-Limit Hold'em (2 day event) $1,000 July 12 20 H.O.R.S.E. (3 day event) $50,000.00 July 13 21 No-Limit Hold'em- Short handed 6/table (3 day event) $2,500 July 14 22 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $2,000 July 15 23 Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $3,000 July 15 24 Omaha Hi-Low Split (3 day event) $3,000 July 16 25 No-Limit Hold'em Shootout (3 day event) $2,000 July 17 26 Pot-Limit Omaha (2 day event) $1,500 July 18 27 No-Limit Hold'em (2 day event) $1,500 July 19 28 Seven Card Stud (2 day event) $5,000 July 19 29 Pot-Limit Hold'em (2 day event) $2,500 July 20 30 No-Limit Hold'em- Short handed 6/table (3 day event) $5,000 July 21 31 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $2,000 July 22 32 Pot-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $5,000 July 22 33 Seven Card Razz (2 day event) $1,500 July 23 34 No-Limit Hold'em w/re-buys (3 day event) $1,000 July 24 35 Seven Card Hi Low Split (2 day event) $1,000 July 24 36 Limit Hold'em Shootout (3 day event) $1,500 July 25 37 No-Limit Hold'em (3 day event) $1,500 July 25 38 No-Limit 2-7 Draw Lowball w/rebuys (2 day event) $5,000 July 26 Satellite Day July 27 Media/Celebrity Event and Satellite Day July 28 39 No-Limit Texas Hold'em World Championship Event $10,000 July 28 Day 1A 2000 play down to 800 July 29 Day 1B 2000 play down to 800 July 30 Day 1C 2000 play down to 800 July 31 Day 1D 2000 play down to 800 August 1 A B 1600 to 700 August 2 C D 1600 to 700 August 3 Day off for main event August 3 40 No-Limit Hold'em 1 day event $1,000 August 4 ABCD Play 1400 down to 600 August 5 Play 600 down to 300 August 5 41 No-Limit Hold'em $1,500 August 6 Play 300 down to 150 August 6 42 No-Limit Hold'em $1,500 August 7 Play 150 down to 60 August 7 43 No-Limit Hold'em $1,500 August 8 Play 60 down to 27 August 8 44 No-Limit Hold'em $1,500 August 9 Play 27 down to 9 August 9 45 No-Limit Hold'em $1,500 August 10 Final Table Link to post Share on other sites
bigbadbeat 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Silliest gaw damd thing i have seen on this site, 'cept of course for elvis. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Silliest gaw damd thing i have seen on this site, 'cept of course for elvis.Tuff_Fish is that you? Link to post Share on other sites
mph552 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Players also accumulate CardPlayer POY points for good finishes in these events. Also, doesn't the WSOP has a series-long points system that crowns a winner after all the events are played? Link to post Share on other sites
TheRazor 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Bracelets and Prize Pool....they can turn 1500 into 355,000Indeed.However, if I hear one more pro whine and moan how it is a crap shoot and that you have no room to maneuver because you only get 1,500 in chips etc. etc. etc, I am going to scream.Did they not have this information before they bought in?They are pros.They are pros.They are pros.They should act accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites
HangukMiguk 8 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 However, if I hear one more pro whine and moan how it is a crap shoot and that you have no room to maneuver because you only get 1,500 in chips etc. etc. etc, I am going to scream.Did they not have this information before they bought in?They are pros.They are pros.They are pros.They should act accordingly.QFTif they want to see changes in the structure of the smaller events, then make a statement and don't play. Link to post Share on other sites
joeybags38 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 I would also think that it is good practice to fine tune their games.I don't think any of them want to go in cold into the main event also they may run into some of the same donkeys and actually have a read on them because they played them in some of the earlier events. Link to post Share on other sites
doudave 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 Its all about the bling bling, the more you got on your wrist the more popular you are and the more endorsments you get. also, there is the whole player of the year thing which gives them major bragging rights. Link to post Share on other sites
Socrates 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 They play the smaller tourneys because there is so much dead money in the tournament. Their expected return on investment is much higher than it would be if they were to play larger buy-in tourneys with better competition. Its just easy money. Link to post Share on other sites
TheRazor 0 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 QFTif they want to see changes in the structure of the smaller events, then make a statement and don't play.I couldn't agree more. And now, to finally answer this question and end this thread.OP: Why Are Pro's Playing The $1500 Buy-in's At The Wsop?Plain and simple, to catch lightning in a bottle.By lightning in a bottle I mean, smaller investment for a bigger payday, POTY points, bracelets, and whatever prop bets are circulating.Let's not forget, not all pros are multimillionaires.A better use of this thread would be to discuss the +EV/-EV of buying into the first three $1,500 events (total of $4,500 for the math deficient) or saving the money, kicking in the extra $500, and playing in the first $5,000 event.Discuss. Link to post Share on other sites
grocery_mony 8 Posted July 3, 2006 Share Posted July 3, 2006 not to mention the fields in the 1500 are loaded with dead money. there is no where else in this world (except maybe the wcoop on stars) where the payouts for first as compared to the buy in are at such a high multiple(750,000 for event 2). they have 1000 buy in tourneys at the bellagio every weekend and the top prize is usually in the 30,000 dollar range where as the payout for the 1000 dollarnl tourney at the wsop will pbly be in the 350k -400k range. Link to post Share on other sites
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