SabaAba 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 Obvioulsy anyone please reply, this is just that I want to see what Smash thinks based on his "project".Someon posted this link and table http://www.jade-dragon.net/poker/preflop.xls (this was posted on twoplustwo for those concerned about copyright). I was wondering if you had any major differenced between this table and your play (at the higher limits you play) and which tabl do you think you follow more "tight", or "loose". If in between, please give examples.ThanksAnyone else who has any opninion on this, please feel free to post. Oh yeah, and if we can avoid turning this into a bashing of one another, I would appreciate it as I would like to read everyone's replies and would prefer that half the replies are off topic. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I don't have a spreadsheet program on this computer, actually, so I can't even see the thing. Link to post Share on other sites
SabaAba 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 Let me ask you this then.When do you let go of hands like AK, KQs, JJ? Especially if you raised in early position with them and missed the flop?Also, do you let go of any pair if you don't hit a set on the flop? Link to post Share on other sites
harvey 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I posted that spreadsheet, its the preflop strategy taken directly from small stakes holdem. So smash could comment on how close his strategy is to that book. He has said in the past it is very close I believe.There are some errors in that spreadsheet though. This pdf shows the same material, with a few trivial corrections, and smash might have a .pdf program. http://bellsouthpwp.net/j/c/jccuneo/preflop.pdfhope that helps Link to post Share on other sites
AllenRay4 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 is there a legend for that?? most of it i get but some of it looks like my accounting book and just so ya know, i am clueless when it comes to accounting :shock: Link to post Share on other sites
harvey 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 there is a legend in the spreadsheet version. In one of the tabs. Link to post Share on other sites
jlgosse 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I folded JJ preflop in a live game last week, never thought I'd be able to do it, but I had a good read on a few players. It turns out I was beaten with QQ and AK (Ace hit on the flop).In another situation I also folded KK after a random flop because I felt I was beaten. Turns out someone had flopped a straight after calling a huge preflop raise by me, with some crap (unconnected) cards.Basically, if you think you're beaten, fold the cards. Usually when someone is betting big, based on what they have bet before, you can almost tell if you're beaten. This is ESPECIALLY prevalent in NL. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I like the PDF a lot, actually.I don't agree with raising 99 UTG in a loose game, and a few other minor things, but it's pretty close to how I play pre-flop. Link to post Share on other sites
BetItAll33 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 How about cold calling a raise with 22 or JTs in early position. Do you think these are +EV? Just curious 'cause I might muck them. Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 How about cold calling a raise with 22 or JTs in early position. Do you think these are +EV?I'd more inclined to call with JTs, but both are fine if it really is a loose table where 5 people are going to cold call behind you. Link to post Share on other sites
SabaAba 0 Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 Smash, when you are four tabling, you don't really get a feal for the table being loose or tight, so which one do you use?Also, since harvey mentioned this is for low limits, what limits does it refer to? Is 5/10 considered low limits 8/16? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Just bumping the threads with my name in them.No opinion. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Just bumping the threads with my name in them. Link to post Share on other sites
MilesZS 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 over/under on banishment of above?You know what would be a really interesting experiment for a day? Give the real Smasharoo moderator rights. THAT would be incredibly interesting. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Over/Under what? Link to post Share on other sites
jayistheman 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 i'll give it 8 hours over/under Link to post Share on other sites
BilliardsBoy 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 8 hours?I'll take the under. I just PM'd Jay Web, I'm sure I'm not the only one to do so. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Anonymous Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 I'll say over. Link to post Share on other sites
allinbluff35 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 8 hours?I'll take the under. Â I just PM'd Jay Web, I'm sure I'm not the only one to do so.he's not on MSN yet though so. . . but I'll take the under also Link to post Share on other sites
jayistheman 0 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 he wont take care of it til this evening...he pmed me to complain about my conduct, so this will def. be stopped.... Link to post Share on other sites
AnnChristiansen 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 :oops: Link to post Share on other sites
Smasharoo 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 It says to fold KQ in sb against a raise, but SSHE says to call.No it doesn't. Link to post Share on other sites
SapphireTiger 0 Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Can this preflop play be used for NL as well as Limit? If not, what changes need to be made?I read Sklansky a lot but play mainly NL and often wonder what Limit plays i'm doing incorrectly in NL. Link to post Share on other sites
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