nachunja 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Party PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $2/$410 playersConverterPre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with :club: UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (10.5SB, 5 players)BB bets, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (8.25BB, 3 players)BB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.Results:Final pot: 12.25BBremember the section on 'two overcards?'the example with pocket 1010well i did exactly that, and my plan was to raise on othe turn when the safe card hits. and a safe card didnt hit and there were action.by the way, UTG+1 is a complete fish. and i dont know about BBnow this hand,Party PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $2/$49 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: :D (3.5SB, 3 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds.Turn: (2.75BB, 2 players)BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.River: (10.75BB, 2 players)BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.Results:Final pot: 18.75BBOPP is 26.9 3.8 1.77now was PF wrong? the game was pretty tight so i was loosening up.flop seems alrightturn is questionableriver is questionablei put him only on trips and nothing more because of his flop reaction. just a check, call. Link to post Share on other sites
mrdannyg 274 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Party PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $2/$410 playersConverterPre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with :club: UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (10.5SB, 5 players)BB bets, UTG+1 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, BB calls.Turn: (8.25BB, 3 players)BB bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds.Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to BB.Results:Final pot: 12.25BBremember the section on 'two overcards?'the example with pocket 1010well i did exactly that, and my plan was to raise on othe turn when the safe card hits. and a safe card didnt hit and there were action.by the way, UTG+1 is a complete fish. and i dont know about BBnow this hand,Party PokerLimit Holdem Ring gameLimit: $2/$49 playersConverterPre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 2 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, BB checks.Flop: :D (3.5SB, 3 players)BB checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP1 folds.Turn: (2.75BB, 2 players)BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.River: (10.75BB, 2 players)BB bets, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls.Results:Final pot: 18.75BBOPP is 26.9 3.8 1.77now was PF wrong? the game was pretty tight so i was loosening up.flop seems alrightturn is questionableriver is questionablei put him only on trips and nothing more because of his flop reaction. just a check, call.haven't read it, but i think in the second hand thats a fold PF.turn is close, but a cap is fine, because it gives you enough information to just call a river bet. river is a spew. Link to post Share on other sites
pokerplayer24 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Hand one 3-bet to isolate the donk. Hand two preflop is iffy, just call the river bet. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I cant help but laugh at the river cap in the second hand. Link to post Share on other sites
screech 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Hand 1 is horrible. This is not like the TT hand because not as much overcards can hurt you on the turn. Plus, you have a decent bd flush draw. 3-bet the flop for value. Given that you just called (which really isn't that bad), you have to call the turn. You have underrepresented your hand, and have a draw to the 3rd nuts.Preflop in hand 2 is fine. Depends on the table conditions. i put him only on trips and nothing more because of his flop reaction. just a check, call.I think this is where you made your biggest mistake. You have to be flexible when you put your opponent on a range. I cant help but laugh at the river cap in the second hand.Why? I agree agianst most opponents its no good, but its pretty player dependent. Against an unknown, it's not that big a mistake. I think the turn fold in hand one is much worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Run it Thrice 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Hand 1 I agree you have to 3 bet on that flop. Given your flop call I don't mind the fold on the turn. The queens are probably beaten, you aren't getting great odds on a call, and there's a chance you could make your flush and lose to the ace or king. I do think the hand plays very different if you re-raise the flop though.Hand 2 I don't mind the call preflop, but I think it's a marginal winner at best.As for the rest, I don't think the play is horrible, but like Screech said don't get caught up in your reads. I think he's either got a flush or a boat. Check/calling the flop could well represent a flush draw or it could represent waiting till the turn to raise with a set or two pair.His turn lead out gives us even more information, although I admit I'm a bit puzzled by it. It does seem to make the most sense that maybe he has a ten and is afraid you won't bet now, but a naked ten doesn't really fit with his flop play. It would make sense if he hit a flush here, figured his check/call was an obvious flush draw and was scared you wouldn't bet, and so he bet out. The problem is that it's also possible he was slow playing a set, figured you'd probably just hit trips and would raise his bet, and was going for the three bet. The same thing could be said if he filled up with 10x here.I don't mind the turn raise, but you probably have to call down after you're re-raised. I don't really see an advantage to capping as he's going to bet on the river most of the time anyway, and even if he doesn't you have to check behind in fear of a raise. Link to post Share on other sites
Abbaddabba 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Why? I agree agianst most opponents its no good, but its pretty player dependent. Against an unknown, it's not that big a mistake. I think the turn fold in hand one is much worse.Even if it isnt as big of a mistake (it's at worst for 1 bet, so clearly it's not the end of the world), the mental image it gives me brings a tear to my eye. Link to post Share on other sites
Knight_Owl 0 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hand one it was played very passivly why did you just cold call 2 bets on flop w/ multiple players? Like everyone stated 3 bet to isolate and dont be afraid of that other club. It reminds me of begginers how they seem to think whenever they get raised the person must have the "NUTZ" lolGL 2 U Link to post Share on other sites
Jessica 0 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 i put him only on trips and nothing more because of his flop reaction. just a check, call.The River in hand 2 looks highly questionable to me. The trips were sure not the most serious mistake of your life, but think well before doing the same next time. We learn from experience after all. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 I cant help but to be a penisFYP Link to post Share on other sites
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