Mattnxtc 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 As I get back into the thick of playin again I have had the luxary of lookin at my pokertracker stats and lookin for the flaws in my game. I thought id start a thread to see what people are struggling with or even to get some to look at thier game to find that flaw thats costing them money that they might not even know about yet. The number one flaw I see right now in my game is my patience factor is really low even when I multitable. I havent been running very good lately but I felt like I needed to play pots so I was limpin with garbage and costing myself money. Even after getting on myself and constantly reminding myself to be patient my vpip at 6max nl still hovers at 25 vpip. This of course has led to making dumb calls postflop when i catch some draw or some pair and end up takin a hit. So thats my biggest leak so far right now. Struggling to keep the vpip in a good range. I didnt realize what it was at until lookin back at pokertracker. I actually thought it might have been way lower but i guess stats dont lie Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I feel as if I'm seeing too many showdowns.I feel as if I'm being c/r on the turn too much. I think I need to find a way to switch up my play.The newfound variance I've encountered since moving to SH has been messing me up mentally, causing some tilt, I would imagine.Does anyone have their numbers for WTSD for 6-max LHE handy?I don't have many hands, but I was winning more at 1/2, and mine was 36.4%, and at 2/4, it's 36.9%, so clearly that hasn't been my problem, but do those numbers seem standard?I think the cause of my downswing is just running a bit worse, since my W$SD fell from 53.3% to 48.9% from 1/2 to 2/4.Anyways, only about 7500 hands at each limit, so take these numbers for what they are worth.- Zach Link to post Share on other sites
joelav128 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 i think deciding to play is my biggest leak Link to post Share on other sites
Zach6668 513 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I got a new one.I can not deal with the variance of SH LHE.I'm going to go crazy very soon, or I will toss my laptop. Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
jayboogie 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I got a new one.I can not deal with the variance of SH LHE.I'm going to go crazy very soon, or I will toss my laptop. Seriously.This is a very common problem and one that I've personally deault with for the longest time. I would always just play and play and play some more getting in a ton of hands in each session, but the problem with this is that I'm getting in quantity and not quality meaning I'm not playing at my best and was more concerned with getting in a ton of hands rather than playing my A game.I'm not sure if this would apply to you as I'm not sure if you multi-table or not, but I used to do 4-6 tables all the time, after having cut down on them to 2, my results have been a ton of a lot better. Sick variance can happen when your playing like 4 tables, I've done the 150 BB's in 1 hr thing a ton of times, but I've yet to break the 50 BB playing 2 tables. It might work for you, it might not, but doesn't hurt to give it a try. Goodluck Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Not being able to get up and say ok today sucks I'm done. I'de make at least a third more money if I was able to do this. Instead I sit there and play and sometimes I jump into a no limit game in which I will drop 2 buyins for no reason. Oh and before you start nitpicking on all the little mechanical errors you make in your game.read this Link to post Share on other sites
Stylin_Fish 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 The worst kind. We call it anal leakage. Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I feel as if I'm seeing too many showdowns.I feel as if I'm being c/r on the turn too much. I think I need to find a way to switch up my play.The newfound variance I've encountered since moving to SH has been messing me up mentally, causing some tilt, I would imagine.Does anyone have their numbers for WTSD for 6-max LHE handy?I don't have many hands, but I was winning more at 1/2, and mine was 36.4%, and at 2/4, it's 36.9%, so clearly that hasn't been my problem, but do those numbers seem standard?I think the cause of my downswing is just running a bit worse, since my W$SD fell from 53.3% to 48.9% from 1/2 to 2/4.Anyways, only about 7500 hands at each limit, so take these numbers for what they are worth.- ZachThunder Keller had a good article about going to showdown in this month's CardPlayer. Have a read.http://www.cardplayer.com/magazine/article/15492 Link to post Share on other sites
jjdylan 0 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 I got a new one.I can not deal with the variance of SH LHE.I'm going to go crazy very soon, or I will toss my laptop. Seriously.i know EXACTLY how you feel.but on the original topic...I feel im calling people down too much after being raised/ check raised on the turni keep bluffing with missed overs when i know the donkey wont fold his bottom pairi try to squeeze out a profit at a bad table rather than just leaving and finding a good one.and my biggest leak of all....i play 6max LHE Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 post flop near bubble in NL tournies.it's amazing I make money.I'm incredibly weak tight as we approach the cash, unless I have a strong hand.I hear playing more cash games should help post flop play?Generally, near bubble, my thoughts are all on getting paid, not on figuring out the best way to take that pot down. So I risk little unless strong draw or made hand. On the other hand, I"ll be all in preflop more often than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Highlow16 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Thanks for the ed miller post antistuff. I definately would agree that my leaks are post flop, the problem is identifying what those are... I guess thats why you have to buy his book. jjdylan, i agree that i also continuation bet the turn too often with overs when i miss. The problem is that alot of players will take a card off and try to catch the turn... if you check, your gauranteed to see the guy bet into you on the river with anything. Maybe im assuming they are on a draw or have overs too much because i expect them to play more aggressively with anything else.Im questioning my bluffs alot more as well (limit). I just dont think its cost effective to try elaborate bluffs or three betting with ace high, people just arent folding often enough even when they should. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Thanks for the ed miller post antistuff. I definately would agree that my leaks are post flop, the problem is identifying what those are... I guess thats why you have to buy his book. jjdylan, i agree that i also continuation bet the turn too often with overs when i miss. The problem is that alot of players will take a card off and try to catch the turn... if you check, your gauranteed to see the guy bet into you on the river with anything. Maybe im assuming they are on a draw or have overs too much because i expect them to play more aggressively with anything else.if you read all the responses to his post in that thread he later states that one of the things that is not a big leak is betting the turn with overs (although someone calls him out on it and he says that it could have a noticible impact on your winnings). fwiw that is a really hard situation to learn to play right. examples of big leaks that he gives are things like folding too often on the river and failing to protect your hand in a large multiway pot. Link to post Share on other sites
radar37 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 My advice. Quit playing shorthanded limit holdem. Yes you can make money, but only at the cost of your sanity. Take up no limit, you can make a lot more bets per 100, just play better than I do . And yes NL cash games are for people that can play postflop as well as preflop. As oppossed to donkaments where if its in the first hour you stick all the money in on the flop, as oppossed to the end where you stick it all in preflop. NL cash games are where its at. Now if only i was good Oh yeah the leak I'm trying to work on is 1. quit playing kq off (alltogether its just not worth it) or k (anything really). and quit trying to get people to lay down aces or big pairs. It just doesnt matter if the board reads kkqj9, they will not fold aces at 100NL so fold your stupid 8s jackass. Link to post Share on other sites
Highlow16 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Yeah, I did make a bad laydown today in a big pot. UTG limped, i limped with 8Th in the CO. The SB raised, the flop was 8 high... never mind i should post this hand. I had a player behind me calling after I called the flop bet. The turn gave me a gut shot, and the button still called. I layed down my eights/bad kicker when the small blind continued to bet out on the river... The button took it down with 34s bottom pair when the small blind showed down A5 of spades (no pair). I couldnt imagine him betting that river with nothing, with a player behind me... In retrospect maybe i should have called but i couldnt imagine someone playing his hand that way. I also had to worry about the player behind me. I should post the hand Link to post Share on other sites
TB17 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 My biggest leak is playing way too weak against GOOD players. I give them too much respect. Which then leads to me folding hands that are probably good, and calling down "possible" bluffs after I get sick of folding to them. Link to post Share on other sites
No_Neck 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I am over aggressive, I continuation bet to much I think. Also bluffing out of position has become a really bad habbit lately. Link to post Share on other sites
myenemy 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Check-folding the turn in LHE too often. Nothing upsets me more than CFing to a LAG, I just cant make myself bet or call when I am 100% sure that the villain will call or be betting with rags. Link to post Share on other sites
quadaces 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 BR management is my number 1 problem. I'll build it up to $150-200 and start playing $2-4 stud and stud8 or #3-6 stud. I'll also start playing more MTT (eventhough I know I suck at them). I truely get board playing .25-.50 and .50-1 limit weather its stud, stud8, Razz, Omaha8 (I suck at), or Hold'em. Right now I'm trying to build it back up after taking a shot at $3-6 stud yesterday, I've been playing boring $.50-1 LHE BOOOORING. But it must be done! I dont want to put anymore $$ on-line anymore. When I go Broke I'll be done with on-line poker. So hopefully I'll learn next time I get it going back in the right direction Link to post Share on other sites
DudeSurprise 0 Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I seem to have that one blow up ever few days that costs me a buy in at 6 Max NL. I usually play my A game when I've been at a table for quite a bit and have a good idea of the texture and who to play back at. Yet I continue to have those little brain farts where I sit down at a new table and go broke with TPTK without any reads and the villian min-raises a non threating turn card. Instead of waiting for a better spot when I have a good idea where I stand...I put the blinders on, become a donkey, and push back. Yes I'm an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Looking at moving up a level in the payout rather than building the stack. Link to post Share on other sites
hotbacon 0 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 I got a new one.I can not deal with the variance of SH LHE.I'm going to go crazy very soon, or I will toss my laptop. Seriously.I was in this same boat when I started.Don't worry though, after about 6 months or so of it you'll start to laugh at 150 BB swings.My biggest leak, I definitely don't fold rivers enough, particularly to river c/r's by average opponents. Link to post Share on other sites
aucu 3 Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Not being start about becoming more agress late in a tourney and just donking off my chips. Link to post Share on other sites
DrNick 0 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Biggest leak for nearly everyone is tilting.Even for people that claim they dont tilt.Seriously. Link to post Share on other sites
Actuary 3 Posted June 28, 2006 Share Posted June 28, 2006 Biggest leak for nearly everyone is tilting.Even for people that claim they dont tilt.Seriously.I disagree.Biggest leak for almost all winning players (or otherwise would be) is tilt.But MOST players are losersMost losing players aren't tilting it away. They just don't understand things like pot odds, equity, protecting your hand, hand reading..etc. Link to post Share on other sites
kkot 0 Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 I am paying off far too many turn check-raises. And I am losing an insane amount of bets in the blinds.I have to dump my small pairs when i don't hit a set in multiway pots.Oh yea, I also have to stop paying off quads Link to post Share on other sites
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