Mercury69 3 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Anyone else find these to be, at least occasionally, inaccurate or rife with poor logic. I don't claim to know that much about poker but today's question is:Your hand:8d 8s Game: No-Limit Hold'em, Sit-and-Go TournamentPosition: MiddleType of game: TightBlinds: $15-$30Two players from early position limp in and you do too. A player in late position raises to $100. Everyone folds and the action is to you.What do you do?And the answer?Fold. This hand could get you into some big trouble, especially if the flop is all low cards. There is no reason to take undue risks early in the tournament. Fold the hand before you get pot committed.I, personally, don't see anything wrong with re-raising to, say, 200 just to see if he re-pops it. Nor do I have a problem with calling, if only to see the flop. Are these leaks in my game? Is the answer particulary conservative? Link to post Share on other sites
astros11ss 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 reraising is a huge mistake, but i'm not sure about folding... 235 in pot (45blinds+90limpers+100raise) and it's 70 to call? 3 to 1 real odds with huge implied odds? don't see how you fold here, although it wouldn't surprise me that much if someone whipped out some sng math on me and showed me that it's a borderline decision or something. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Re-raising is a probable mistake, but it'll get you more info. I'm more in line for a call on this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
NOFX_PUNK 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Re-raising is a probable mistake, but it'll get you more info. I'm more in line for a call on this hand.Yeah I don't reraise here, implied odds are better to see the flop and check raise if u hit him. Likely his play is a bluff looking to pick up the pot pf so he will prolly continuation bet the flop. The answer claiming that u can get into trouble if the board comes low doesn't have too much truth in it. You can get urself in trouble if he has a higher pair, otherwise you're golden! Link to post Share on other sites
....Ian.... 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 call, opern Farrell if you dont flop a set, then type in the chat box "*Villian*, I'm now inside your head" Link to post Share on other sites
myenemy 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 It is definitely a conservative answer, no doubt...but I can attest to this situation getting me into trouble so many times. I dont particularly have a mathematical argument but I know the odds of flopping a set or better is 7.5 to 1. That said, I think you can make an argument that your 3 to 1 + implied odds might make it worth it, but again we're talking in the confines of a SnG. The times that you dont flop a set and either lose more chips, or even bust out, for other reasons, (i.e. unders-board to a big PP, unmade draws, etc.), reduce the number of times that you finish in the money too mush to make it +ev. And that should be your real goal if you're an SnG stud, while all of the other donks are trying to "win this one", if you're a fairly good SnG player, you know that your profit, overall, is made on the times you finish 2nd.Thoughts? Link to post Share on other sites
blacktie31 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 Easy call depending on the chip stacks. A raise here after 3 limpers 2 from early position on a tight table pretty much screams big pair. So if his stack is still around 500 or so i'm calling here, then check raising him all in if I hit the set on the flop, check and fold if I miss. Link to post Share on other sites
Uppie_ 0 Posted June 21, 2006 Share Posted June 21, 2006 There is so much relvent information left out like ahh ahhh chip stacks that would be important to know, any information about the raiser, I know it isn't your line mecury you are ripping some one else. But lets assume its on Full tilt and level one. I think showing a reraise as a mistake is easy, #1 would someone limp with AA KK after two guys have already limped into the pot, very unlikely unless the guy is a super donk, or super good, Knows that a player behind you will raise to try to pick up pot from all the weak limpers. Thats an increably tricky play and unless he is great and able to release hands going to lose money. So we can assume he is not going ot put us on a very strong hand after we only called two limpers.So he makes it 100, with 235 in the pot and you want to re raise to what? 400? or 300 at least, sticking in roughly 1/4 to 1/3 your stack pre flop with 88 early in a sng is just a mistake. Lets say you make it 300 to go, he smooth calls. Flop is 7 10 2 do you check fold? or are you leading with a CB? Cb invest about 50% of your chips.If you get re raise all in you just wasted an extra 200 chips that you could have saved by just seeing the flop or used to your advantage if the flop looks save for you hand and lead at it and seen what he did then. Or gone with the check fold and not got over involved early in a SNG which is normally a good idea in them. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted June 21, 2006 Author Share Posted June 21, 2006 Yeah, they leave out some crucial info, don't they? I'm simply imagining that the stax are pretty much the same. Link to post Share on other sites
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