Pilla 0 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Big O triple double averageI dont know what happened to the poll but we can all type Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Looking at the record books I would pick Wilt Chamberlain Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Guest Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Wilt wasn't even the best of his era, Russell was. It's MJ, who are we kidding here. Link to post Share on other sites
oldirtyharry 0 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 that was me by the way, not a guest Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 Wilt wasn't even the best of his era, Russell was. It's MJ, who are we kidding here.I knew someone would say this. The single greatest player is an impossible debate. We're talking about 4 or 5 guys here. My list in no order:WiltRusselJordanKareemOscarAll those guys could claim the greatest player and have a strong agrument.Who was better in the Wilt/Russel era? I think it was Wilt, and I dont think its close. I understand the other side, but the fact is that Russel had far better teammates. The Celtics were stacked. Russell was probably the best player on those teams (remember, Cousy played on those teams too), but they won titles because they were loaded. Russell and Wilt basically have identical rebounding numbers but Wilt absolutely dominated him on points. Russell was an average scorer at best. Link to post Share on other sites
tripdeuces 0 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 As far as greatest player is concerned. Wilt is far and away better than Russell. Whenever the Celtics would trample the Lakers or Philly Wilt would still outplay russell and score 30 or more. Again greatest player not greatest leader. For that Russell wins hands down Link to post Share on other sites
The Czar 0 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Ummm, are you guys serious? You cannot simply look at stats to determine this, you have to use your own judgement. Use clutch performances, stats, championships, etc. How do these not point to Jordan? Wilt shot free throws like Shaq. Link to post Share on other sites
princeof56k 0 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Ummm, are you guys serious? You cannot simply look at stats to determine this, you have to use your own judgement. Use clutch performances, stats, championships, etc. How do these not point to Jordan? Wilt shot free throws like Shaq.The argument between Wilt and Jordan is the one thats impossible. They played different positions and in different eras. Either one could have the top spot. The fact that people bring up Wilts poor free-throw shooting shows its close. Is the greatest player debate actually going to come down to free throw shooting? LOLAnd championships do count for a lot, but its still more of a team effort though. Without good teammates you wont win the title. For the greatest individual player (which I assume we're talking about here), I give stats a little more weight. Other things like awards recieved (All-NBA, All-Star, MVP, ect) also count alot.I think stats give Wilt the edge. While Jordans number are great, Wilt OWNS the record books. Some of his records fall into the unbreakable category.Now I totally disagree with clutch performances though. Very, very subjective. It's made even worse that a lot of Wilts games (even his 100 point effort) weren't even televised. So while you no doubt had a chance to see all of Jordan's clutch shots, and tons of replays of those moments on ESPN, you've probably never actually seen Wilts greatest performances. Seriously, can you name one of Wilts great games that you've actually seen? Link to post Share on other sites
SlySelea 0 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Connie Hawkins Link to post Share on other sites
wsox8 10 Posted June 10, 2006 Share Posted June 10, 2006 Michael Jordan, no doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites
fckthis 0 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Lebron James Link to post Share on other sites
CaneBrain 95 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Michael Jordan, no doubt about it.it may be Michael Jordan....but there is certainly doubt about it. Link to post Share on other sites
ROGUE06 0 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Lebron JamesMichael Jordan FYP Link to post Share on other sites
greatwhite 0 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Is this even debatable? Michael Jordan, and it's not even close. Link to post Share on other sites
sinc 0 Posted June 20, 2006 Share Posted June 20, 2006 Uhh how about Magic? He was an all star at all 5 positions, has what 6 rings? He at least deserves a mention. Link to post Share on other sites
SuitedAces21 2,723 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I would have to say Jordan. But If Lebron keeps getting better, it may be him one day. Link to post Share on other sites
LAS22 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Hard to say who is the greatest ever, since they played different positions, played in different eras and for teams that they were the only superstar or ones that they had great supporting casts.The big men of the past were great, but they played in an era where a 7' was not that common on every team. In today's game every team has at least 1 guy who is that tall and a bunch who are 6'10".Some guys had horrible teams and they carried them as far as they could. It's hard to win when you have to score 40, grab 20 boards, dish out 15 assists and D-up the other teams best player.That is why it's great to have a list of the 50 greatest, because I don't know if you can ever narrow it down to just 1. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I'd go Michael, Magic, OscarI'm not sure about Wilt - I do think he was way better than Russell The thing that Michael Had was that killer I have to win instinct - Wilt didn't have that - If you put Russell's will to win in Chamberlains body - then it wouldn't be close it would be Wilt all the wayI'm not really ragging on Wilt I think he was a great guy - but he wanted to be liked and it hurt him that he got no respect because he was so big and didn't win like RussellIf you read about him - you'll see that even though he could have just been jamming on guys every time - he would often shoot hooks or fadeaways trying to show people that he was a skilled athleteThat's fine but the object is to win not to be prettyOn the other hand if the Celtics had Chamberlain instead of Russell - they win every single one of those Championships - and the one Wilt won in 1967 as well. Link to post Share on other sites
aadams_22 3 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 Michael JordanAINEC Link to post Share on other sites
JadeTiger 0 Posted July 28, 2006 Share Posted July 28, 2006 I would have to say Jordan. But If Lebron keeps getting better, it may be him one day.QFT Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 It seemed like MJ played in a league that was more talented than it has ever been in the history of the NBA. For him to dominate, retire, then to comeback and dominate again against high calibur teams makes him the greatest. Link to post Share on other sites
zimmer4141 0 Posted July 30, 2006 Share Posted July 30, 2006 JordanMagicWiltRussellWilt was better than Russell. Wilt had a poor free throw % because he could bank it off the back of the backboard, run into the lane, and score an easy 2. I think Jordan was the greatest player because he did it in a very talented league, without a decided physical advantage over the rest of the league. Link to post Share on other sites
keith crime 8 Posted July 31, 2006 Share Posted July 31, 2006 JordanMagicWiltRussellWilt was better than Russell. Wilt had a poor free throw % because he could bank it off the back of the backboard, run into the lane, and score an easy 2. I think Jordan was the greatest player because he did it in a very talented league, without a decided physical advantage over the rest of the league.it's not fair to hold a decided physical advantage over the rest of the league against Wilt - the idea is to be the best not the best that is of average height or speedIf some 12 foot tall guy led his team to an 82-0 record and averaged 200 points a game - you might not like it but he'd be the best basketball player of all timeit wasn't wilt's fault he was bigger and stronger and more talented than everyone else Link to post Share on other sites
Painter567 0 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 it's not fair to hold a decided physical advantage over the rest of the league against Wilt - the idea is to be the best not the best that is of average height or speedIf some 12 foot tall guy led his team to an 82-0 record and averaged 200 points a game - you might not like it but he'd be the best basketball player of all timeit wasn't wilt's fault he was bigger and stronger and more talented than everyone elseJORDAN..AINEC! Link to post Share on other sites
Jadaki 0 Posted August 1, 2006 Share Posted August 1, 2006 Uhh how about Magic? He was an all star at all 5 positions, has what 6 rings? He at least deserves a mention.He played defense like a matador, JS. Link to post Share on other sites
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