Are U Honest With Yourself? Are U A Winner?

[HomeRow 0]

I'm almost certainly a winning live player. Online, I'm down w/o rakeback/bonuses, but I'm being honest with myself when I say I have run worse than almost any of you know is possible. So I'll flip a coin and say break-even online and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ live.

[Tantalar 0]

Last year, from MTT strictly (No higher than $10 buyin) Ive net profitted over $3,000. Im a net losing online Cashgame player because I dont follow my bankroll. I cant stand how horrible the players are, and dont have patience to sit and grind out low limits becuase it takes too long and im working and doing school, so I stopped playing online cash games becuase I dont have the time to focus on them. I cant find anyone who will play me in $1/$2 or $2/$4 outside of online, so ive stayed within .25/.50 blinds which IS within my bankroll. In the game I play now, .25/.50, I WAS up $370 but have just gotten beaten down and slaughtered lately. Too many missed 14+outer all ins on the flop! It has been brutal!!! Im down currently $227 in that game becuase I dont have the patience to mechanically play super tight against extremely weak calling stations. Perhaps I shouldnt raise and go all in on the flop with 18 outs in Holdem, because I KNOW they are going to call. But it IS +ev to do so! Ive just missed almost all of them and Im trying to play tighter and semi bluff less against bad players who will call all the way. We play a lot of high low and the variance in that game can be incredible when nobody folds! Yeah its crazy. Im extremely sucessful against the good players, and my failure is in knowing exactly what the weak opponents have, knowing a good player will fold if I bet, and then betting it, only to have them call me with something outrageous. For example if the flop is 9s2h6s and I raised pre flop with AsKs and they call with 9d5c out of position on the flop I bet, they raise, I go all in, they instantly call and say "HAHA I knew you were bluffing I caught you!" I sigh in dissapointment as I miss and they feel great for "catching" meThat is my evaluation of my play. To rate myself, im probably Tournament:7Mixed cash game with all forms (Like the big game) : 8NL: 6Limit: 7PL: 6Against weak players: 5Against good players:8Agressiveness: 8Looseness: 8Tilt control: 9I lack the patience to play bad players for small stakes, its my only weakness as a poker player but its a big one.Im in the range of slight win, break even, slight loss in cash games. In tournament poker im a pretty big winner.

[Abbaddabba 0]

Playing 'outside your bankroll' isnt going to make you lose.It's just going to make the outcome more reliant on chance.If you deposit $200 to play 2/4, it's not an adequate bankroll. If you lose the $200, it may very well be due to chance. If you repeat that process a few more times and lose, it becomes more and more likely that you just suck.

[Jdr999 0]

Moderate winner. Was moderate loser when I first started playing for real $, but after 6 months I stopped losing $ and became a winning player.

[The Bwaves 0]

No matter what kind of winner you are you will never be the best with the attitude of a moderate winner or an excellent winner.To be the best you need to have mental toughness. You have to thrive off competition and want it more! If you think that you're getting tired think of Daniel playing over 20 hour sessions and you think your 6 hours at the computer is enough?You must thrive to be the best no matter what the circumstances. Become champions’ not moderate winners.

[bengy3 0]

No matter what kind of winner you are you will never be the best with the attitude of a moderate winner or an excellent winner.To be the best you need to have mental toughness. You have to thrive off competition and want it more! If you think that you're getting tired think of Daniel playing over 20 hour sessions and you think your 6 hours at the computer is enough?You must thrive to be the best no matter what the circumstances. Become champions’ not moderate winners.

And the Gipper speaks.

[socalpoker_j 1]

OP you didnt answer your own question, are you a winner overall?In live play I am a definite winner overall. Having not played online consistently as most you have, I have shown a small profit and tend to see a lot of variance.

[blakheart 3]

I am up both online and live this year, having been a net loser the last two years. I would say bankroll management continues to plague me, as I tend to play to high online too often. (particulary in MTT's). I would expect the % of winners on this forum to be greater then the average, due to thier higher involvment in learning the game.

[Stylin_Fish 0]

"If you lose enough, what you are is a loser." I'm a loser, nothing more to it.

[Balloon guy 158]

I am not honest with myself.Leaves me in a bit of a pickle.

[BNH77 0]

deposited 50 dollars in december '04. Currently sitting with an online roll of about 6600, haven't deposited since, nor do I plan on ever putting more money into online poker again. I'd say that makes me a winner.

same goes for me, i deposited $100 in Summer of '05 and now have $5500... I have withdrawn money to pay for a monitor and some other gadgets, but lately i have been letting my winning's build my bank roll exclusively. I have cleared many bonuses though, so I really dont know how "good" I am.

[Flushgarden 0]

I've only been playing poker for 4-5 months. (I know this is where most people will stop reading) After a little bit of research I was a winner pretty much right away at the very small limit ring games, but I quickly got bored with that and played way above my bankroll and became a major donk. I always tried to learn as much about the game as I could, I just didnt have the diclipline to follow proper bankroll management. Playing above my head (mostly SnGs and MTTs) I'd make a big score once in a while and then donked it all away and then some. I repeated this pattern for a while.Things have turned around for me lately though. Since I started I'm still a losing player, but as of right now I'm a break even player, maybe slightly winning. I've made up a lot of what I donked away. If things continue in this direction I'll get out of the red soon. I've made 3 final tables in MTTs this week, and came close to the final table in 2 more. Thank you Dan Harrington. I've stopped playing the $55 and $33 SnGs and I'm crushing the $6 and $11 SnGs at the moment. It might be an upswing in variance, but I don't think so. I know I'm a much better player than most people at these levels. I'm gonna stay there and consistantly build my bankroll the right way, and hopefully get the occasional score in a MTT.

[GrinderMJ 0]

I cant tell if there's sarcasm there, but...How can you still be at it after playing 300k hands of (roughly) break even poker?Dont you want to... you know... quit?

I was being fairly modest, I have turned 100 into a decent sized roll.

[HonestPirate 0]

The house always wins in gambling. Does not matter what the venue or what part of the venue you play. Example im from the harness racing world.You bet horses you win and loose. It works back and forth. If you own and train horses the same thing occurs. One year you might clear 100,000 the next you loose 50,000. They call horse racing a rags to riches biz. The secret is all gambling is a rag to riches biz. The trick is to have it under control. If you cant aford to loose the money, then don't gamble.As far as FCP goes.. I find it kinda funny that in the non gambling Ts I can usually be in the top 3. But any real money Ts im lucky to finish in the top 3.So in reality I look at it like this.....Either im not that good at poker or im a sucker. The idea of the free play is either to find out if you can play or its to get suckered into making a deposit.When I switched to real play I never get any where near the cards I do in free play. Its not a matter of winners and loosers. You either can play the game or you can't or your a sucker.Right now Im looking for my soother.If the cards contineau to fall like they have, I think I will hang up the idea of online poker. Write it off as, not ment to be.

[Flushgarden 0]

When I switched to real play I never get any where near the cards I do in free play....The idea of the free play is either to find out if you can play or its to get suckered into making a deposit.

You know there really might be something to that. I'm teaching my wife to play and she's been on the play money tables. When I watch her she seems to get a monster like once every 10 hands. Then again she plays almost every hand. lol And she likes to bluff. haha At least when she learns how to play right she wont be passive like most women are.

[imasicko26 0]

up 15k live...down 10k online down 15k at blackjack...no job...im a fing sickooooo

[antistuff 0]

I will give a completely honest answer and say that I don't really know.However, that $40 I started with had to turn into several thousand from somwhere.

[Marchione 0]

2-4 3-6 5-10 limit seven card stud hi low i am up over 2k for the year!1-2 limit stud hi lo i am down 700 this week alone.i just cant beat that limit at stars for some reason right now !!!the river is just killing me !!sit n go's i am + 440 for the year.no limit i am down - 118.omaha hi lo -73.torneys i am in the hole for 104.$live play doesnt apply here ~

[BIG_L_RIP 0]

Many, many people who have shown winning results are in fact running well. And there are winning players mired in substantial losing streaks. That's the nature of the game.

[Craftsy21 0]

i suck... i've never been able to devote myself to the game though. I've studied several good books, but can't ever get enough time to really work with the stuff i think i've learned. I feel like I know how to play - but I'm probably down over 300 dollar in the last year of playing, total -- with a few nice days here and there, but mostly break even play and freeze-out losses. I'm planning on starting over and rededicating myself this summer... but i've gotten into sports and horse betting this past year too, and school and work seem to take up the rest of my time. We'll see...To reiterate - i'm a losing player.

[antistuff 0]

You know there really might be something to that. I'm teaching my wife to play and she's been on the play money tables. When I watch her she seems to get a monster like once every 10 hands. Then again she plays almost every hand. lol And she likes to bluff. haha At least when she learns how to play right she wont be passive like most women are.

Sexist much?

[iggymcfly 0]

I'd definitely call myself a winning player, although it's going to take another month or two of results to bear that out as fact. I was a losing player for the first year or so I played poker, (all at pretty low stakes, the total loss was probably only about $1,000 or $2,000).Then, I was break-even from November of last year until the beginning of May. I'd go up thousands of dollars and then run through it all mostly due to poor BR management. Well, last month, I made $18,000+, this month (three days old), I'm already up $1,500, and I have no plans of going downhill anytime soon.Also, in the game I'm focusing on right now, PL Omaha, I'm averaging 20 PTBB/100 through 4,000 hands. While I know that's technically not a significant sample, I'm quite confident with the results. The odds that I'd be up 15-20 buy-ins by chance at this point are pretty small compared to the odds that I'm just a winning player, and I've seen way worse plays from the competition than I've made myself.

[Kuge 0]

Hmm....this is quite the question indeed... When it comes to cash games I believe I am a losing player but it's never in huge amounts. When it comes to tourney play I think I am a big winner, even though I don't have a ton of big cashes, I do make the money a lot more often that most (i think). And if I do make the money I tend to win about 4-10 times of what I put in. Which is decent and it puts me in the positive BR wise. Since I make more money playing tournaments than I lose money playing cash games, I believe I do count myself as a winner.